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by **katrielalex** » Jan 19th, '06, 10:06

I haven't put up a video for a while so I thought I'd put something up. Unfortunately, I realized that the effect doesn't come out well on video as it really relies on misdirection - so don't hold that too much against me!

Anyway, I've performed it a couple of times and it seemed to go down well. The first phase is, obviously, the classic and the second is Fat City, by John Bannon.

Thanks in advance for the comments!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 6111788126

Kati

by **Demitri** » Jan 19th, '06, 10:45

The first part of the effect was done very well. A tiny bit slow on the display of the two kings - but not enough to be a problem.

In person, I'm sure this effect would play out really well. Your cuts were really fluid - handled perfectly.

The second phase, I just don't understand. I get that the entire deck, except the selection, is sandwiched by the kings - but it just doesn't sit well with me. Your handling was slower - not nearly as fluid. Displaying the two kings, you took a long time here, and a spectator will immediately think you're doing something (might not know what, but they know something is up). Also, the finish of the effect doesn't work for me. You do the spread, show the entire deck between the kings - but you're visibly holding a card. The reveal isn't very powerful, since we see the card for a while.

Perhaps make it more of a card to impossible location effect? With a little alteration of the handling, you can have the kings sandwich the deck, and reveal the card jumped into your wallet, or something to that effect.

by **rcarlsen** » Jan 19th, '06, 12:26

It's a good effet, but if I was you, i would practice my regular deck handling, like breaks and other stuff, as much as you practice your flourishes. Beacause, they are very smooth and good.

by **katrielalex** » Jan 19th, '06, 12:42

Demitri wrote:Your cuts were really fluid - handled perfectly. Thanks .

Perhaps make it more of a card to impossible location effect? With a little alteration of the handling, you can have the kings sandwich the deck, and reveal the card jumped into your wallet, or something to that effect. I like that idea. I thought about the sandwich idea a bit, and although I like the idea I see your point that it doesn't really make sense. If I were to palm off the bottom card that might be better, I think. It could then appear somewhere. Actually, I am starting to have an idea here...will get to work on it!

Rune wrote:It's a good effet, but if I was you, i would practice my regular deck handling, like breaks and other stuff, as much as you practice your flourishes. Beacause, they are very smooth and good. I do try to...and I don't really practice flourishes. The ones I did there were definitely easy. But thanks! Did I flash a break somewhere?

Thanks for the comments - I actually have the beginnings of a new idea here so I will have to work on that.

Kati

by **rcarlsen** » Jan 19th, '06, 13:41

Yeah, the break is obvious, but, again, thisi s a video showoff.... it's harder to do misdirections etc...

by **bananafish** » Jan 19th, '06, 14:04

Well for the record I thought it was absolutely brilliant. Two effects nicely routined together.

First effect
I loved the dazzling card cutting during the first effect that generated the misdirection you needed when you spread the three sandwich cards (what was that cut? where is it taught?), when you placed the 2 kings down initially you were perhaps a little too careful. I believe someone mentioned that, but that was a minor niggle.

Second effect
As to the Bannon effect - again brilliant. I thought the break was fine - maybe not 100% invisible to magicians looking for such things, but I doubt any real person would have noticed, and it's a nice twisted ending effect. I really liked it.

The patter I am sure would have been more fluent with a real spectator as well. I imagine performing for just a camera is just a little unreal (I did like the "oh" at the end. It really made me chuckle...)

by **seige** » Jan 19th, '06, 14:25

Brilliant! Really liked the 2-phase routine.

HOWEVER! (I always have a 'but'...)

During the first phase, you dislodge the found card between the Kings and then do your cuts (nicely, may I add). But, for the spectator's who can already see that the Kings have found the card, the cuts are meaningless, as the card is already found, and they're simply waiting for you to go back to it.

Aside from that, top marks. Nice presentation, and nice kitchen?

by **katrielalex** » Jan 19th, '06, 14:47

Wooo - I got praise! Thanks...

The cut: the cuts were Charlier, Trinary, then one I made up myself. I could do a tutorial for it if you'd like - it's easy enough.

The misdirection: I find that this works a lot like the Born To Perform card to mouth - it's better if you do it to a few people as some people notice almost immediately whereas others are so fixated on the flourishes that they don't notice it until you point it out and by that time they've lost all chance of figuring out how it got there (what a sentence!). When people notice the card there, I must say the reactions are some of the best I've had.

My idea was that if I were to palm off the selection at the end I could then pull out of my pocket two red-backed Kings and show the selection - but with a red back. The basic method would be the old d***** ***** t**e but the trick would be showing the selection blue in the first phase and then red in the second. That would also give some (albeit clumsy) justification to the fact that the kings have sandwiched the entire deck - they looked for the card but it wasn't there because it's in my pocket. It's something for me to play with...

I'm one of those people who can't talk to a camera so my patter doesn't really work when I try to do a video. I don't know why but patter seems so much more natural when you are talking to someone!

I agree I was a bit too careful with the doubles at places so I will have to work on that. In fact, I have to work on my doubles in general as they are overall messy and clumsy.

I actually came up with the routine idea based on Fat City - it is great for magicians who are sick and tired of the classic sandwich but it doesn't really make sense to spectators unless they've seen the regular sandwich first - hence the routine!

Thanks again for the comments,

Kati

P.S. This was one of the rare times when our kitchen was actually tidy which explains the nice counter space to do card tricks on.

by **bananafish** » Jan 19th, '06, 15:30

But, for the spectator's who can already see that the Kings have found the card, the cuts are meaningless, as the card is already found, and they're simply waiting for you to go back to it.

You could say that about Derren Brown's Card under Cardbox effect on Devils Picturebook, or even smoke for that matter or what about Ammar's wand spin?

I certainly didn't see when the extra card appeared the first time of watching, and I doubt many will. I actually thought the misdirection was very good, and if the odd person does see it - well it's not the end of the world.

and yes, I would love to see tutorials of the Trinary and KatiKut. Thanks

by **seige** » Jan 19th, '06, 15:45

OK, the reason I saw it was because Kat poked it before the flourishes.

The reason the others remain unnoticed is immediate misdirection. Taking the heat away.

I agree that not many people would notice, but there really is an obvious 'poke' of the sandwich to show the cards.

I was only trying to be constructive :O

by **katrielalex** » Jan 19th, '06, 16:09

Nothing to do with me!

The trick with the sandwich is getting the timing right. If you do it too early people will still be watching it, but if you do it too late people may stop watching the flourishes. I guess I must have done it a little too early :oops:

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It does seem to work though for the people I've tried it on, so it's not too bad!

Kti

by **stevebo** » Jan 19th, '06, 18:35

I liked it! The second phase I wasn't too fond of though. The first phase, the first time I watched I didn't actually see you move the cards lol. Second time I did.

Flourishes were nicely done there. Only flourish I think you need to work on is the dribble lol. You're not putting pressure on the cards so the cards don't spring out like they should and instead in your video, they drop in clumps. Use your index finger to force down on the cards a little. Then when you master that, I'll teach you guys how to do the Anaconda dribble!

(or maybe not lol... not my invention

, I did it in my "My Life" video)

Get a close up mat or something. I think it would look nicer. Working on a slippery surface like that table isn't the best of ideas.

by **katrielalex** » Jan 19th, '06, 22:57

stevebo wrote:I liked it! The second phase I wasn't too fond of though. The first phase, the first time I watched I didn't actually see you move the cards lol. Second time I did. Yes, that's sort of the point !

Flourishes were nicely done there. Only flourish I think you need to work on is the dribble lol. You're not putting pressure on the cards so the cards don't spring out like they should and instead in your video, they drop in clumps. Use your index finger to force down on the cards a little. Then when you master that, I'll teach you guys how to do the Anaconda dribble! (or maybe not lol... not my invention , I did it in my "My Life" video). Ulp, yes, dribble work!

Get a close up mat or something. I think it would look nicer. Working on a slippery surface like that table isn't the best of ideas. I should, I know, it's just the bank account that stops me!

by **Mahoney** » Jan 20th, '06, 00:50

I really liked that, it was ace! The best bit for me was all the cuts/flourishes :shock:

I love that stuff. I just wonder how the spectator perceives it though; isn't there a danger of looking a bit cocky?

Nice video mate!

by **Tomo** » Jan 20th, '06, 00:58

Y'see this is why I don't do card manipulation. I'm over 2.5 times your age, just starting in cards, and that was a rather stunning display!

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