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What is you favorite trick from penguinagic.com?

andreasolsson wrote:What is you favorite trick from penguinagic.com?

Are you talking the whole store, or just their own branded downloads?

In view of the apparent problems with Penguin ( see http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic8108.p ... ht=penguin ) you might not get good answers to this question. I'm sure we've already covered that 'favourite trick' ground in more general terms rather than just items from Penguin.

E.G. STAY AWAY FROM PENGUIN & ELLUSIONIST!

If you want to buy from a reputable dealer, I'm not too familiar with places in the UK but here in the states we have a ton of them; Tannens, Stevens, Abbotts, Owens, Magic Inc, the Magic Warehouse (on line) just to name a few.

I find that advice hard to follow, as they do offer the cheapest magic I can find anywhere.

I would prefer to buy from somewhere else, but I do not have the money to spend £50 elsewhere, when I can get it on Penguin for £30.

Craig Browning wrote:E.G. STAY AWAY FROM PENGUIN & ELLUSIONIST!

Why "E.G"? lol Not really an example of anything right?

Also, you're signature isn't appropiate. You better delete it before the mods do!

Back on topic, do you mean Penguin made products?

I think the best thing to say is that Penguin were caught selling Sankey products at 25% below his other outlets. This upset the retail chain for a lot of people for the sake of a fast buck. Their protestations were less than convincing to some, it all got a bit muddled, and created bad feelings amongst magi and retailers alike.

they are certainly cheeper than elsware but you can't guarenty your getting an origional product or a rebranded blatent copy.
please note this is not an illeagal practise but it is frowned upon.

stevebo wrote:Why "E.G"? lol Not really an example of anything right?

Mandrake wrote:...you might not get good answers to this question.

Arrg. There is nothing wrong with selling below the rrp. There is something wrong with selling cheap rip offs of someone elses product. End of.

Back to question, yeah what do you mean?

Mahoney wrote:Arrg. There is nothing wrong with selling below the rrp. There is something wrong with selling cheap rip offs of someone elses product.

True and true! It's not at all illegal to go below RRP unless it is agreed in the stockist's agreement and then it's a matter for civil court where the judge rule's on what's what. Really, I suppose it's the way Penguin did it, the consequences of the unexpected price drop on other retail stockists and the implicit message that Sankey was somehow at fault in their statements, that got people's backs up.

Imagine if a McDonald's franchise (yup, they're all franchises) started selling burgers for 75% of the official price. Good for the customer, potentially very bad for the other franchises in the area whose businesses might not be able to afford to do the same. They might be new startups who have yet to see a profit and can't afford a loss. I suppose it comes down to a sense of fair play in the end. Where there's an RRP, the idea is that you make your bread on the margin between wholesale and retail.

Actually, you know, I'm quite sure cheap rip-offs are a criminal offence. If, say, we were to start making and selling our own Levi 501s, we'd be in line for a raid from Trading Standards. A proper, taken away in handcuffs raid. Depending on the size of the operation, time inside could be on the cards.

Interesting thought: if someone reverse engineers the principle underlying a trick to create a new one using the same principle, is it a rip-off or an original work?

Yeah teh rip offs will probably be criminal but then nobody can prove it I guess. I guess if Sankey magic doesn't want Penguin to sell their products anymore then they should just stop supplying them with them, which (I think) they have.

To be honest I think the only reason people seem to be against Penguin and similarly Ellusionist, is that they make it too easy to learn magic. I think there are a lot of purists out there who think people should spend half a century reading before performing a single trick. I don't nessecarily disagree, because I suppose the huge commercialisation of magic seems to cheapen the art. To be honest the best thing Penguin magic has going for it is free delivery!

Anyway I think we've strayed sufficiently off topic so I'll not say anything else

i sense that this topic will be locked....

yeah, i dont like using penguin magic, but its the cheapest alterntive concidering that i have a 800+ $ missing from my bank account.

Mahoney wrote:Arrg. There is nothing wrong with selling below the rrp. There is something wrong with selling cheap rip offs of someone elses product. End of.

Back to question, yeah what do you mean?

I totally agree. I would never buy a rip off from Penguin, only things that I know are not

I'm not going to do the elementary school game of "prove it to me"... there is information out there for those willing to open thier eyes and ears wide enough to find out what's going on vs. looking at their wallets as the course of misdirection.

Both sources are known for selling unathorized versions of other people's effects. Both sources are known for pure EXPOSURE and too, both sites tend to be akin to the Cafe, when it comes to harboring a massive group of Black Market operators.

As to good prices, check out the MagicWarehouse on line, I've found their rates to be pretty darn good. For that matter, I still support the real magic companies of the world instead of all these virtual sites; give me brick & mortar that's supported by the net.

It's like all those folks that know about how Wal*Mart is leading to the over-all loss here in the states but due to the savings, they refuse to shop anywhere else -- ignore it, it's not true...