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Guess I haven't introduced myself...

Postby SpongeBallSlight-of-hand » Feb 6th, '06, 05:33



Hello, my name is Kevin and I've been doing close up magic for almost 10 years.

Mostly sponge balls. Although, I've learned about force, misdirection, and many other things in that time. I think I need to learn more clever misdirection.

One coin sleight I like to do is tell the spectator, that in my left hand, I'm going to put a coin in my left hand, and then throw up my left hand, several times, and on the count of 3, it will vanish. With all the attention focused on the left hand, I slowly move the palmed coin in my right hand down to my pants pocket, and then start to move my left hand up and down. When all the attention focus on the left hand, and their anticipation that it's going ti disappar, along with me counting and the patter is also misdirection, "1...2...3.." right when all the attention and everyone is looking at the left hand, I gently slip the thumb palmed coin that is clipped into my right sidei pocket. It's a bit harder to do this without a jacket coat, since I don't have a texedo.


I plan to either be a pilot, move to japan (learning japanese now..and have been for awhile) or be a professional magician (close up). I bet I could. I'm now almost 18, and I'm probably around the high intermediate/advanced level with sponge balls.

With my recent postings, it seems that already I've disturbed a few people, perhaps they thought my posts were a bit egotistical. This seems to be my problem on all the forums. I have severe depression, it also effects my attitude and my patter. I take critism that isn't critism at all.

I'm sorry for this. Of course, that probably won't matter because I'll probably go back into the safe habit... :cry:

I don't video equiptment, but when I do I'll post a few videos.

I like forces, I'm learning the classic 'dollar bill in the lemon' force where you force them to choose a lemon. I should put 'quotes' on force because it's not a force at all to the spectator, but it is to the magician.

I also live in the US, so please be careful on some of the UK terms...

Thanks so much. And it's nice to meet you folks..guess I"ll have to wkae up earlier to see more of your posts! (6 - 8 am)

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Postby aporia » Feb 6th, '06, 10:28

OK, you've worn me down, I give in.

I would like to see a video of your ball handling and colour changes, so please when you get some kit do post.. I'm starting to get hooked onto the idea of conjouring with sponge balls - thanks to your evangelism. Just don't tell us your age in the patter :)

Do you have a preference for the balls you use? Have you tried D'lights (not exactly the same, I realise). Given you seem to be so keen on balls, do you incorporate juggling?

Thanks.

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Re: Guess I haven't introduced myself...

Postby seige » Feb 6th, '06, 10:50

SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote:I also live in the US, so please be careful on some of the UK terms...



Welcome to TalkMagic.

Thanks for clearing up your neuroses (??!?!? :O)

As for your comment above (and another comment about UK 'English') British English and American English are exactly the same, parallel in existence, with separate nuances and variations in spelling and usage...

So I fail to see why it is worth mentioning? You quote you are prepared to learn Japanese, but you are struggling with how English is used.

Please take time to read the following which I used recently when lecturing about 'international' web design and advertising:

Long before the United States became a superpower, it could lay claim to being a "land of light and freedom," there was the British Empire which set its cultural tone on many parts of the world. Earlier still, the British Isles themselves had been subject to invasion by Vikings and Normans/ But, as soon as the English experienced their first taste of relative freedom from foreign dominance, British English underwent a growth surge, most notably perhaps in the period immediately preceding the colonisation of America,. In some ways, the rapid changes in the language represent the movement toward a more unified English identity. If the Middle English of Chaucer in the late 1300s is compared to Shakespearean English and then again to what begins to be Modern English in the late 1700s, the language is virtually transformed in a matter of only 400 years. Current differences between British and American English pale in comparison: inflection is lost; verb conjugations become more uniform; thousands of new words flood the language, some 2000 alone attributed to Shakespeare. These are only some of the more prominent changes, as on many levels vocabulary, pronunciation, spelling and grammatical structure shift dramatically.

At about the time that England was experiencing this linguistic awakening, the spirit of exploration began to take hold. Of course, this exploration and colonization brought English to the Americas, to the southern hemisphere, to Africa, and to South Asia. In fact, India is exceeded only by the United States and the United Kingdom in numbers of English speakers.

The role that English literature played, both in its contribution to vocabulary and to its contribution to world literature, cannot be overemphasized when considering the importance of the language. The English Renaissance, Shakespeare, and the publication of the King James Bible particularly assisted the expansion and lent prestige to the language. And though the United States can lay claim to a literary tradition of its own, that of the British Isles remains unparalleled.

Yet, even if the birthplace of the language and the importance of cultural and social contributions are considered, its usefulness as a form of international communication depended on the number of English speakers. True enough, the United Kingdom alone has been in the process of producing these numbers. According to David Crystal, "between the end of the reign of Elizabeth I (1588) and the beginning of the reign of Elizabeth II (1952) this figure [of five to seven million living within the British Isles] increased almost fifty-fold." to include emigrants and descendants. This is an impressive increase, but Americans can justifiably point out that the English language was not much used abroad before its introduction in North America. Only by turning their attention outward could the English make their full impression on the world culturally, linguistically, and politically. Perhaps Bill Bryson puts it a bit harshly when he states that "...without America’s contribution English today would enjoy a global importance on a par with Portuguese," (would that make India the UK’s Brazil?) but it seems reasonable that the almost exponential population growth of the United States, along with its own brand of English, coupled with the ever-expanding nationalistic and cultural activities of the English, were what gave the language its current status as a means of international communication.

And what of the English exported to America? It has often been said that the English the colonists spoke was virtually Shakespearean or, more generally, Elizabethan. But, as J. L. Dillard points out, it would be difficult to define what exactly Shakespearean English is, considering Shakespeare’s own variation in spelling and vocabulary. That it is equally difficult to describe Elizabethan English is evidenced by the varieties of regional dialect which were even more firmly entrenched by the 17th century than they are currently. Actually, the English did not give America "a perfectly good language," but rather a number of good languages or at least variations on a language, and those in a period of rather intense transition. Instead of the "two streams" or two separate languages that Mencken originally envisaged British and American English to be, it would be more accurate to consider Modern British English to be one result of that period of linguistic transition, and American English to be another.

In fact English was not immediately dominant in the colonies: other languages, such as Dutch and French, figured prominently. According to Dillard, English was a virtual "interloper" in some regions, and "had to adapt linguistically." At one point during the colonial period, there were 18 different languages spoken in the Hudson River Valley alone. Scholars have frequently suggested that the later waves of immigration to the United States explain the disparity in vocabulary between British and American English. But it is plainly not the whole story. Nevertheless, with other languages along with the Pidgin English common among Native Americans, slaves, and sailors undoubtedly contributed toward making American English as a different branch from, and not a subset of, British English.

Although the United States is not, geographically-speaking, the colonial power that England was, it had some direct role before this century in exporting its own brand of English. Dillard, citing Creole scholars, Berry and Hancock, maintains that, at least with the founding of Liberia by ex-slave repatriation, "it seems inescapable that, in a real sense, a variety of English that was in some sense ‘American’ was transported overseas before the period of British domination had ended." Of course, it is in the current century that American English has made its mark internationally. Marckwardt and Dillard highlight the efforts of such institutions and programs as the Fulbright Commission, the United States Information Agency, and the Peace Corps, as exporters of American culture and English. Technology has virtually assured the dominance of American English on a scientific as well as a popular level. With a 250 million-strong block of first language English speakers, and the rise of the United States as a military, industrial, and political superpower after World War II, Americans can certainly claim a prime responsibility for boosting English to world prominence.

The above is just an outline of how the two countries have ensured the position of English as the international language. There have been challengers to the title, none successful. As many gloom and doomsayers as there are predicting the demise of English as the predominant language in the United States, and with as much resistance to English as there is expressed in individual countries, no change in status seems imminent.

So, "Whose language is it?" appears to be a question of no pertinence. Crystal would give credit to the United States and its influence in the 20th century, "much to the discomfiture of some in Britain who find the loss of historical linguistic preeminence unpalatable." But, the world dominance of the United States rests partially on what the British had achieved in the 19th century. With as many theories as there have been on the divergence of the "two streams of English," it is still virtually impossible to consider them separately or even sequentially. It is true that the use of English predates the European settlement of America, but it has gained impetus concurrently with the rise of the United States to international status, as well as with the rise of the United Kingdom to that same status.


Not my words, but the words of a Fulbright Scholar.

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Re: Guess I haven't introduced myself...

Postby SpongeBallSlight-of-hand » Feb 6th, '06, 12:22

That's alot to read. I don't feel like it right now, it's 4:21 AM, and I'm very sick and very tired.

What I was saying was certain nuisances like cheque, what does that mean?

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Postby SpongeBallSlight-of-hand » Feb 6th, '06, 12:31

aporia wrote:OK, you've worn me down, I give in.

I would like to see a video of your ball handling and colour changes, so please when you get some kit do post.. I'm starting to get hooked onto the idea of conjouring with sponge balls - thanks to your evangelism. Just don't tell us your age in the patter :)

Do you have a preference for the balls you use? Have you tried D'lights (not exactly the same, I realise). Given you seem to be so keen on balls, do you incorporate juggling?

Thanks.


Unfortunately, I do not have a job right now (Although I've been trying to get one, and the people won't hire me...even with interviews) so I have no way of buying a webcam, or other means of this type of equipment to use. I also do not know how to host a video on this, my dad does though, I believe, but I do not have the money to buy such things.

When I get the equipment, I'll be more than happy.

I can't help but almost break out in laughter with the way you use the term 'sponge balls.' No, you don't say "How do you use your sponge balls' you say, "how do you handle your balls?"

Heh.

Sorry, dirty joke, I know.

I couldn't resist.

My h ands are pretty small, so i use 1.5 inch balls.

I use red balls, as it's the only color I have.

A great rountine is taking a red ball, and 'change' its colors by making it turn into a black ball.
You can practice this buy (if you dont have a magic store near you) buy a case of 1.5 inch black balls (or 2 inch if you have larger hands) black and red balls. They come in a pack of 4.

You can practice this by: Hold the red sponge ball on the tip of your fingers, like you'd hold a coin when using the pinch-or-drop vanish.

Then, with a sponge ball loaded in the curl if your middle finger and ring finger, before you do this trick, smash up the ball and load it in there. You can now flash the sponge ball without anyone noticing, and your hand looks empty. This is a clever illusion.

Hold the red ball in your right hand on the tips of your fingers, palm up. Now as you go and wave your hand over the red ball, as your hand moves back, thumb clip the red ball, when your hand is waving back. This will make the illusion that the red ball has changed to black.

You can also do this using a coin. Hold a coin, and do the sleight. Very effective.

You can practice the thumb clip by taking a sponge ball, and simply holding it between your index and middle finger. Then curl the finger up, and clip it with your thumb, now do this with your palm down, and it will look natural. If you don't want to hold it with your thumb, simply release the grip, and let the ball fall into your curled fingers. This way, your thumb is free and looks less suspicious.

Good luck

Kevin

Also, when you get good with making the ball vanish from one hand with the retentino vanish, ITS VERY IMPORTANT TO DO THIS: ALWAYS LOOK AT THE HAND THE SPECTATOR THINKS THE BALL IS IN. IF YOU PRETEND TO PUT THE BALL IN THE LEFT HAND, AND LEAVE IT IN THE RIGHT, AND LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND, THE SPECTATOR WILL LOOK AT IT TOO.

When you retetion vanish the ball in the left hand, look at the left hand. Where it moves, look at the left hand. Pretend your right hand doesn't exist, and casually drop it on the table (not too fast) in the thumb curl mosition with your index finger sticking out (be sure to hold it naturally) to avoid suspicious.

Make sure you do it in one smooth move, don't break the rhtyhm.

One thing I like to do, is make a coin disappear via the retention vanish (Pratice it until its perfect, go to www.coinvanish.com, where I Learned it) once you have it in your right hand, and pretend its in the left. Then tell the spectators to concentre on your left hand, look at your left hand (remember the coins' in the right) and tell them on the couint of three, when you move you hand up and down, it will vanish into thin air.

Now all their attention is on the hand. Now the magic happens. Now, once you've done the retentino vanish, what i like to do is let the coin slip into the finger palm position, between the middle and ring fingers. Flash your hand upwards, reaising the thumb, forefinger, and picky, but keep the middle and ring fingers closed (It'll look natural if you do it right and don't accidently flash the coin). Then, point to the left hand. Casuclaly put your right hand close to your pocket. Again, tell them the coin in the left hand is going to vanish. As you count 1...2..(right between 2 and 3) slip the coin in quickly, and bring your hand back out. This will make it look more natural. Then on the count of 3, clap your hands together and say "It's gone!"

Remember, this all has to be done smoothly.

Good luck.


PS: What I was describing is misdirection at it's finest and is essential to all magic. It's very important.
Learn it, cherish it, use it.

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Re: Guess I haven't introduced myself...

Postby seige » Feb 6th, '06, 12:36

SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote:What I was saying was certain nuisances like cheque, what does that mean?


Say 'Cheque' and then say 'Check'. Sound pretty similar? In context, i.e. relating to payment, what do you THINK it means?

I rest my case.

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Re: Guess I haven't introduced myself...

Postby SpongeBallSlight-of-hand » Feb 6th, '06, 12:47

seige wrote:
SpongeBallSlight-of-hand wrote:What I was saying was certain nuisances like cheque, what does that mean?


Say 'Cheque' and then say 'Check'. Sound pretty similar? In context, i.e. relating to payment, what do you THINK it means?

I rest my case.


Hey man, please don't get upset with me. If you don't mean to be critical with it, then I apologize, sometimes I get critical when people don't mean it.

Yes, it sounds similiar. But when read and not read outloud, it doesn't.

I actually figured it out before, but asked you anyway for ressaurance, honestly. Thank you for the correction, and I'm sorry if I insulted your British Heritage..

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Postby Zero000 » Feb 6th, '06, 23:47

ooh, you're learning japanese too?

?!~

For crying out loud, the msn button under my name is to talk about magic with me, NOT A FREE MAGIC GIVEAWAY LINK. dont abuse it
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Postby ace of kev » Feb 8th, '06, 00:14

aporia wrote:Given you seem to be so keen on balls...


Okaaaaay.......... :wink:

Welcome to TM!

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Postby Sam:monkey fist » Feb 8th, '06, 15:00

Welcome to TM Kevin

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