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can anyone rember pen and teller reveling tricks and they got a bad reseption from the magic community so its just not the masked magician.

If you believe Ellusionist is breaking the magician's code, then by your definition, Dai Vernon broke the magician's code when he allowed people like Larry Jennings (to name one of many) to study under him.

If no one broke the code of silence now and then, magic would be a lost art. I believe it more to be a guideline to keep the secrets safe from people who had no passion or love for magic.

As for Penn and Teller - they reveal many of their effects, this is true. But this is really part of their act. They don't reveal everything they do, either. There is a huge difference between Penn and Teller and the masked magician in the question posed in this thread.

There are some who believe that the masked magician helped more than hurt (I do believe Seige wrote a poignant thread about this very subject). Some attack him for exposing closely guarded secrets. Others applaud him for pushing working professionals to rethink their methods and presentations.

Regardless of what you might think on a personal level, the show actually did boost magic into the public eye.

Yes but anyone can watch these shows. That means people who want to know not learn get secrets. IMHO that is bad.

Anyone was capable of watching the Penn and Teller special last year, and they exposed methods on there, as well.

Pitto I said what I said about stage effects because I was asked what I though about the masked magician revelaing secrets. I never use them so I am not peeved when thier secrets are revealed and that is the truth whether you think it selfish or not. I would prefer that the secrets stop being revealed at all whether stagem close up or what have you.

You say that it boosts the art of magic. What about the art of "watching " magic? People won't be stunned any more when u do street tricks, right?

People won't be stunned?

And you're asking this because David Blaine isn't a successful street performer?

If the world of magic received a boost (which it did) then it's obvious that enjoyment in watching magic has also had a boost. If people weren't as impressed or entertained anymore, pros in Vegas would be playing to empty seats, and guys like Blaine and Angel wouldn't have multiple TV specials.

The general viewing public have very short memories.

I was working a gig on new years & chatting to the punters it seems as though the only secrets that were revealed that they could remember was mainly the vanish of an articulated lorry/truck.

Lets face it how many working performers out there have the means to do this, in reality not many at all.

I am not in favour of exposure at all but when I asked this crowd of people some other questions about tricks revealed that couldnt really remember many at all.

Maybe the booze had messed up their heads?

Cheers

well when i watched the masked magician he only ever revealed big tricks i.e. the one where he escapes from the car which will be crushed by tonns of force in 20 seconds and hes inside a bag or being buried alive or even making a tank dissappear.

the tricks done on the streets or card tricks and others are all still a secret

Actually there was a follow up programme called Secrets of Street Magic Revealed which exposed Cig Thru Coin, Bringing the Dead Fly back to life, Coin Vanish, The Ash on Arm idea etc. For a welcome change that programme actually made the point that the TV specials featuring a certain 'well known street magician' used camera tricks in the levitation scenes and also heavily edited out parts of the tricks which either showed the process or the lack of success of some tricks. Again, it didn’t do much other than cause a small rumbling amongst magicians and I guess the general public either didn’t se it or are probably unaffected by any revelations and all those tricks ad routines are still performed very successfully.

People like David Blaine edits out the unsuccesful trials... By the way, they alwasy goes to places where those tv shows are not seen and people don't know that much about magic. However, when I even do the two card monte , one of my friend knew how to do it and told everyone, not because he saw a flaw in my routine, but saw the show called Secrets of Street Magic Revealed.

For all those who feel that revealing the secrets of magic helps, rather than hinders, THINK.

Are you saying that we can discuss how to do certain tricks on this forum, giving all the details away?

Are you saying that if everything you know in magic, was shown on TV, with the methods for doing it, you would be happy?

How many of you started off when you got a cheap magic kit?

OK, it is basic stuff, cheap and easily available to anyone, but it has to be BOUGHT.

Would you suggest that we should buy one set of books or DVD's between us, then share the contents out?

Didn't think so.

No one said that revealing secrets helps magic.

Just in case anyone hasn't searched, there's a previous thread http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic1463.p ... d+magician - covering a lot of the same points and arguments. Happy reading !

Demitri wrote:No one said that revealing secrets helps magic.

Then please explain these:

There are some who believe that the masked magician helped more than hurt (I do believe Seige wrote a poignant thread about this very subject)

Regardless of what you might think on a personal level, the show actually did boost magic into the public eye.

If no one broke the code of silence now and then, magic would be a lost art

FlipBack wrote:Unless he is giving away something that I personally do it doesnt matter as when he is giving away those major stage stunts sionce I never do any I do not care.

All quotes from this thread.