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can anybody tell me a name of book that teaches you how to "controll" someone mind?
like to make him forget a card or the alpha bet you know stuff like these
or how to build a memory in someones mind without having it ?
I know its possebil!!1

MiniMindFreak wrote:can anybody tell me a name of book that teaches you how to "controll" someone mind?
like to make him forget a card or the alpha bet you know stuff like these
or how to build a memory in someones mind without having it ?
I know its possebil!!1

I don't really know how to make them forget a card, but in the devil's picturebook derren explains how to make them think of a card.

try seven deceptions by luke jermay, this has a forget words etc effect in it

I dont know it is possible apart from choloform followed by months of torture and brainwashing?

Other than that maybe hypnotism

Yes there are books that teach these things - but they require performance experience and a lot of confidence - and sometimes just plain guts. It isn't something you can read in a book and then go out and do - you'll probably just end up looking like you need help

On the Devils picturebook front I have tried that "think of a card" mind reading thing and it hasn't worked for me once. I have only attempted it 5 or 6 times. I think I might have to re watch his presentation again to see what I'm missing

any more ?

I know this might be a bit of topic but i recently saw the effect Derren Brown did at the Oxford University Ball. You can find it here:
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsi ... brown2.ram

I think i know how its done and was wondering if anyone would be open to discussion about it.

Knowing how it's done is a small part of actually being able to do it...

I completely disagree. Presentation comes in 2nd place to knowing the method. Without the method you are left without the effect. Coming up with an extravagent presentation will only leave you satisfied and not the audience. All presentation needs is style, simplicity, personality, and a good use of language. Don't get me wrong, presentation is important. There are many great books written strictly on how to present magic. But strong magic will astound and triple your enertainment factor.

Interesting opinion.
I know how David Copperfield made a jet disappear - that doesn't mean I can do it.
As for presentation - in my opinion your presentation is what makes the magic. The method is irrelevant from the spectators point of view. Let's take something simple - like a 'find the card' effect.

I get the spectator to choose a card and I reveal which card they chose. There are hundreds of methods for accomplishing that - but from a pure method point of view - it's irrelevant to the spec. Now for presentation - I could get them to choose a card, put it back in the deck - shuffle the deck and I find it. Neat trick - a bit 'been done' - but the spectator is usually polite and acts amazed. Now - the same thing except get them to choose one out of 5 Tarot cards, and I take out a pendulum. I ask them to focus on the card that they felt connected with. I move the pendulum over each card. Over one card the pendulum starts to spin in circles. I wait a bit and look them in the eyes and ask them if it's right.
Which do you think will have more impact?

b.t.w. - what do you mean by strong magic?

Once again we have a thread obsessed with "mind control".

There are ways of influencing how peoples minds work but they are complex and usually have a medical or theraputic background. They are certainly not magic tricks.

Just do the trick and concentrate on presentation. It will actually be easier that qualifying as a hypnotherapist and a lot cheaper as well!!

allan_6448 wrote:I completely disagree. Presentation comes in 2nd place to knowing the method. Without the method you are left without the effect. [...]

The method is irrelevant. There are usually several ways to achieve the same result, including no "secret" at all.

Memory Demonstrations, Magic Squares, Hypnotism or Luke Jermay's ungimmicked suggestion-based effects actually do what they claim to do for real. Sure, these effects could be replicated with complicated machinery, but they can be done for real as well.

A good storyteller can tell an eye-witness account of some bizarre event and leave the audience in a stronger state of mystery than an average shomwan with genuine powers of mind control could.

If the presentation requires that you choose a specific method - fine, then do so. Pick the method after you know what you want your effect to look like.

But if you focus on your method and not on the presentation, your magic will at least be much weaker than it could be.

MiniMindFreak wrote:any more ?

The only memory loss I've tried is as a follow up to the hand-stuck-to-table induction. You can suggest that as their their hand comes free it'll displace their name right out of their mind. You can use getting it back to go through some deepening exercises. Sneaky, and only possible with someone who's up for being messed about with hypnotically.

More useful is generating card choices. There are a few variations on the psychological force, but they rely on good rapport. For instance, asking someone to picture a giant card forming in their minds "as clearly and as colourfully as possible" can get you to a heart or diamond.

rumburak wrote:A good storyteller can tell an eye-witness account of some bizarre event and leave the audience in a stronger state of mystery than an average shomwan with genuine powers of mind control could.

And you can alter somoene's recall of an event with leading questions. So, if you want someone to recall a minor car crash as being more forceful, you might ask what happened when one car "smashed" into the other. You could then ask how much glass they remember being on the road, even though none was broken, and they might tell you.