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is it in that hand!!! like for the push in vanish or french drop

This is a hard one to answer in some respects because it not only comes down to technique but to performance of the sleight. The main advice i can give is to try and really sell it to them that you put the coin in the other hand without over-emphasis on it as this will cause suspicion. Try disguising the hand its in by picking up a pen or other item to be used as a wand when you put it away you can dump the coin.

I don't think simple vanishes like that stand up as effects on their own generally, but need to be worked into a routine, such that you don't reveal that it's vanished until you've already ditched it, or swapped it in for something else, or whatever you're going to do. Make sure you're at least one step ahead of where people suspect something is.

You may have better luck doing something like

1) false move/french drop/whatever
2) casually display other hand empty using natural motions, ramsay/kaps subtlety, palming etc. Don't over-labour this, but just casually indicate that the hand is empty.
3) get a "duplicate" item from the pocket. or simply pretend to, while removing the one you already palmed.
4) place that into the hand, clearly showing the placing hand as empty
5) magical gesture, and reveal that the two items have melded into one

(just as as an idea in a basic form.)

By the time you reveal the vanish, the dirty hand is already clean, so you don't end up with heat on the hand containing the item. For small, easily handled objects, you may want to check out the spider vanish as an example of the psychology involved in showing the hand empty

You may want to keep things moving, or show that the item has appeared somewhere else quite rapidly, so people don't have time to think about what you might have done. Kind of like a flurry, with a series of false transfers and reveals from unlikely places.

This is the sort of thing I'm working on understanding better

Or you could say "Of course it is! What? - do you really think I could make it vanish into thin air or something. That's impossible!"

This is in the nature of these type of vanishes (like French drop, finger palm vanish, etc) - as soon as you show your hand empty the heat is immediately on the other hand, no matter how well you executed and sold it. That's why these vanishes are only used as a logical part of series of moves that comouflage it. In cups and balls, for instance, these simple vanishes are used all the time and they are so powerful exactly because the spectator has no time to even start thinking about the other hand as it's already busy doing something else: grabbing another ball or a wand, or lifting a cup, or whatever is there next. The key is always to be one step ahead of the spectator.

But if you want to vanish an object just for the sake of vanishing it (look guys, it's gone, really really gone), then you have to use other vanishes.

el topo wrote:other vanishes.

Revolution (ellusionist) is quite good for this as long as you put in the practice it needs...

Kati

If you point to the hand you are overselling - please don't do that.

Don't say you are going to make it vanish before you start. Then the spec has no reason to think it is your other hand if they say it is do what taneous or learn Wilson's all around vanish it's a very usefull move.

ha, just casually say "no" without showing them your hand, then continue with what you were doing

Pitto wrote:If you point to the hand you are overselling - please don't do that.

Depends if there's anything in the pointing hand, or if you've vanished it already

"The coin is in that hand. It's in there. Really it is" (pointing with cramped looking hand)

That's very true. I was asuming we were talking about a 'dirty hand'.

IF you are going to vanish coinbs or similar small objects and have to retain it in one hand, learn the art of sleeving. So, the timing is, AS you LOOK at the hand supposedly containing the coin, sleeve the coin, leaving the 'closed' hand casually by. The when they say 'It's in the other hand, open it,SLOWLY then IMMEDIATELY point at one of them, saying "No he's got it" AS you point (they will look there) regain the coin, reach out and pluck it from his ear etc.
IF, and it should be, the vanish is PART of a routine, you find an opportunity to ditch the coin later.
Allen Tipton

I agree with Alan. Sleeving can be very useful and is a great way to get out of situations like that. But sometimes, you just aren't wearing sleeves, or you don't feel like sleeving the coin for whatever reason (maybe you just don't like sleeving). I do a lot vanishes where I can only show one hand empty, but I always use a sleight to show the other hand empty before the spectator can even ask. Here's a list of Methods that I use, all of which can be found in J.B. Bobo's Modern Coin Magic.

1. Retain the coin in one hand. Front-finger palm the retained coin while directing the spectators attention to you closed fist, which they think holds the coin. Back palm the retained coin and point to the empty fist with your hand. The spec sees a fist and an empty front of the hand. Open your fist to show the hand is empty.

2. Retain the coin in one hand. Work it into classic palm possition. Do the New Change-Over Palm.

3. Retain the coin in one hand. Thumb palm it. Execute the change over pass showing both hands epmty.

Finally, read up on how to do the Flyaway Coin. This lets you show both hands empty at the same time with the fingers apart.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: I might be thinking of the wrong effect when I am refering to the Flyaway Coin. I'll have to re-read my book.

If people are saying it is in your other hand then you aren't doing the trick effectively. If you know that they might suspect it's in your other hand, then you should design the vanish to cope with this. It is not just enough to do a false transfer or whatever and leave it at that; that's just a move not the entier trick. The presentation around the vanish is all imporant (as it is with every other trick). There are various convincers you can employ also, but really you need to have ditched the coin before you show it gone. Bobo's has some complete coin vanishes, and one in particular that I use a lot (i'll try and find the page later). Yes sleeving can be very useful indeed too, although personaly I usually just put it in my pocket when they aren't looking

I think a single coin vanish can be a trick on it's own. If you really convince them that it is vanishing, and present it as a big feat then, I think it can be very effective.

Another useful method is to actually put the coin into the other hand a few times before doing the retention vanish. This is an easy way of getting rid of susspision that the coin never left your hand.

Another good way of being able to show a hand with a coin in as apparently empty is the Goshman (or Tenkai) pinch - it is a little tricky to master but can be very useful.