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seige

i think i know what bit your referring to would this be the student bit? Did you notice how i didn’t answer that? i said i guess if (YOUR) a student not me then there’s not much luck in learning a few simple tricks on here

the way it stands if people want to download or borrow DVD’s that’s the way it is look at it like this one of these people who download a copy could one day be in league with Mr brown, but depriving that person the magic they will never learn I say if you can afford it buy it if not then do what you got to do, now I could be wrong here but I doubt that there are many on here if anyone that has the amount of original DVDs i have, not so much magic but movies

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let me just say this i don’t agree with people who sell copies of other peoples work and make money out of it now that’s a whole different story, but lets say a friend of yours buys DPB and you take a copy of it i don’t see that as steeling, what would be the difference in sitting around his house and watching it all day long? or on the other hand him lending you the DVD for as long as you want?

Hey guys can we keep this friendly and non personal.

This is a very valid subject and deserves thorough discussion without becoming a tit for tat exercise and getting locked down by the mods.

Lets remember we're all friends here.

if people want to download or borrow DVD’s that’s the way it is

Not on TM it isn't and that's where the problems lie. We do not condone copying, stealing or anything along those lines - just because you claim 'that's the way it is' does not mean we have to accept it here.

It doesn't matter if it's magic, movies, or anything else - stealing other people's property is theft and if you can't come to terms with that then please go elsewhere. We aren't going to put up with your attempts to justify such theft much longer.

Mandrake

You cant stop my personal opinion that’s up to me and please read what i said in my above post regarding people who sell copies of other peoples work, so what are you going to do ban me because i have a different opinion to yours? you may take my words in a different way to how i mean them who knows? but i will say it again and if you ban me so be it if people download or borrow DVD’s that’s the way it is and you cant stop it just like there are people being killed everyday around the world that’s the way it is and you cant stop that either. you don’t have to accept it when did i say i wanted you to accept it? i cant accept kids are dieing because they have nothing to eat just for the sake of food they are losing there life but that’s the way it is nothing can change it. anyway now you can ban me if you wish go ahead it just proves when someone doesn’t have the same view as yours you want to kick them off the forum, if you do ban me i could just come back login hide my ip and i am here again but i am not going to do that i will accept the fact that i have been ban for having my opinion that may differ from yours

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Sky321 wrote:Mandrake

You cant stop my personal opinion that’s up to me and please read what i said in my above post about what i said regarding people who sell copies of other peoples work , so what are you going to do ban me because i have a different opinion to yours? you may take my words in a different way to how i mean them who knows? but i will say it again and if you ban me so be it if people download or borrow DVD’s that’s the way it is and you cant stop it just like there are people being killed everyday around the world that’s the way it is and you cant stop that either. you don’t have to accept it when did i say i wanted you to accept it? i cant accept kids are dieing because they have nothing to eat just for the sake of food they are losing there life but that’s the way it is nothing can change it. anyway now you can ban me if you wish go ahead it just proves when someone doesn’t have the same view as yours you want to kick them off the forum, if you do ban me i could just come back login hide my ip and i am here again but guess what i am not going to do that i will accept the fact that i have been ban for having my opinion that may differ from yours

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Right. Dying children has absolutely nothing to do with this. You can't stop a child dying, but why on earth can you not stop yourself copying someones DVD!? The two are wholly incomparible, and I'd apprecaite if you didn't keep making the connection.
On a selfish note, I don't want someone learning the secrets on DPB which I paid £40 for. If not only one person would need to buy it and we could all just borrow it, and Mr Brown would only earn a few pounds for years of hard work and talent.
You're not going to make much of a good impression here at this rate. We DO NOT condone copying or piracy of any kind, and you cant try and convince us otherwise.
So please leave it. By all means buy the DVD, but don't borrow, lend or copy it and don't keep on telling us that it is alright to do so.

a) It's not my opinion, it's Forum Policy which you accepted to get your registration. It also happens to be the law in most civilised countries - theft is theft.
b) Your opinion infers that theft is acceptable - as previously advised it most certainly isn’t.
c) What's all this with people being killed? If you refer to topics not under discussion then you've lost the plot of your argument. QED.
d) As I said, we aren't going to put up with this much longer.
e) No, we can't stop your having an opinion but we can, and will, stop you using TM to constantly try and justify theft.
e) Bear in mind that we don't just ban the user name, we ban at a sub-IP level, so even hiding your IP won't work as sessions without valid IPs won't be tolerated either.

I visited Derren Brown's website in hope to have a better understanding of his products. However, the product's area is protected and asks for (Detail deleted by Mods). Is this something that cannot be disclosed or is there a way i can get the answer?

As mentioned elsewhere, we can't give any assistance with this sort of thing, sorry.

E.Tsang wrote:I visited Derren Brown's website in hope to have a better understanding of his products. However, the product's area is protected and asks for (Detail deleted by Mods). Is this something that cannot be disclosed or is there a way i can get the answer?

OK, so now I am totally shocked.

Can I just say before this goes any further that I really enjoyed Seige's review and although we've all got a bit sidetracked, I look forward to getting my copy.

Cheers Old Bean!

...and you'll recieve a stern smack on the back of the hand from the baby jesus...

on the subject of piracy and this site - you sign up to certain things when you come on here...if you don't want to abide by them, then abide off somewhere else...

...them's the rules, if you don't like 'em...shift...(pardon the magic/poker pun there)...

if you were an portrait artist and people were photocopying your work and selling them on (and therefore undercutting you) you wouldn't be happy would you...same with this...

spot the other card manipulation term in that last paragraph for a gold star...or rather - perhaps a photocopy of one might be more suitable...

I'd happily wait and save my shekels to buy any magician's work...

Flash wrote:Can I just say before this goes any further that I really enjoyed Seige's review and although we've all got a bit sidetracked, I look forward to getting my copy.

Cheers Old Bean!

Back to the topic of the thread?

Oh brilliant!

To add: DPB is pretty much a timeless wonder... I started watching it again last week, and it's like meeting up with an old friend... something new everytime I watch.

In reference to something that the Sky person said a number of posts back:
In my experience the type of person who will copy magic DVDs is not the kind of person who will ever get any benefit from them anyway. The kind of person who copies material inevitably ends up with a drawer-full of discs none of which they have ever investigated properly or dedicated themselves to perfecting. There is always the next disc to get hold of and generally the acquisition of 'shiny things' becomes the end rather than the means.

I have seen this with friends who have had mountains of copied games for their PCs. Typically they had access to so many that they might play (some of) them for an hour or so before trying out the next disc. And the next. If you don't pay the going rate for something it will never have its true value in your eyes. I know I get more enjoyment out of the two or three games I buy a year than people who copy upwards of a hundred. If you think about it it kind-of goes without saying.

So, back to my original point: the kind of person who will copy magic DVDs is not the kind of person who will ever add anything worthwhile to the art of magic.

A bigger and more important point is that they will be a thief and no amount of worming and mealy-mouthed 'justification' will change the fact that it is both legally and morally wrong. 'Steeling' is what it is whether you choose to accept it or not. Quite honestly, if you're the kind of person who thinks differently what are you doing here in the first place?

Very well put Charles.