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Hey guys,

This is a bit of a weird post.

I'm thinking of doing a Ouija Board with some mates, but am going to cheat. I'm intending to use an 'Instructional DVD which came with the Board' to subliminally suggest the name and age and details of the person we're gonna contact!!

I also want to then have those details in an envelope under the board so it can revealed after we're finished, just to 'prove' that we were successful in case they dont believe me! I have some particularly cynical friends so would love just to try and unsettle them a bit! And I like the satisfaction that all the 'cheating' takes place in the part they wont really remember, the video.

So does anyone have any experience or knowledge in the area? I just need some pointers on how many flashes I am going to need to include in the video, that kind of thing!

Many thanks for your help guys, Mark

I don't have an answer for you sorry but, I did see Derrin Brown do this trick in one of his TV shows, actualy I think the whole show was dedicated to the subject. Maybe if you do a search on google or go to Derrins website there maybe some info on there.

Good luck and post your results for us to see how it went.

leighton wrote:I don't have an answer for you sorry but, I did see Derrin Brown do this trick in one of his TV shows, actualy I think the whole show was dedicated to the subject. Maybe if you do a search on google or go to Derrins website there maybe some info on there.

Good luck and post your results for us to see how it went.

Yeah, it was his 'Seance' that was the influence behind my idea. I never saw the seance, only the last 10 minutes or so, so I'm not sure what tactics he was using, and whether he discussed them in much detail. So if anyone can help that'd be great. If not, if you've got any presentation or performance ideas to enhance this that'd be just as helpful!

Thanks again. Mark

Just push the damned glass about!

Tomo wrote:Just push the damned glass about!

Haha, yeh I thought about it. But if I'm to show them the details of some dead person which I knew about all along I can't touch the glass, or they'll starting thinking down that route - and there's no satisfaction for me in that!

Attack a hell load of IT to either a coin or a glass and tell them to lightly touch the top of it and keep focussing there minds on the coin/glass, then you can ru naround crazy in the background pulling all the thread towards the letters

I you had an M-5 you could use a glass and like...put a st**l Cored quarter in it and move it about.

Mark Smith wrote:

Tomo wrote:Just push the damned glass about!

Haha, yeh I thought about it. But if I'm to show them the details of some dead person which I knew about all along I can't touch the glass, or they'll starting thinking down that route - and there's no satisfaction for me in that!

Use a st**ge?

Thanks for your replies guys (ooh, that rhymes).

As for getting the glass to move I'm actually trying to avoid props. I'm hopinh with enough mental massaging before they start they will get the ideas in their head enough that the ideomotor response will get the glass on its way and in the right direction.
I may use the video to anchor the name etc to a certain sound or phrase. That way when they are around the board, just repeating that phrase or sound should trigger the name enough subconsciously that they start to move the glass without realising it!

I hope!

Why is everything being blanked out Do people not like using them?

Tomo wrote:Use a st**ge?

Again, I could do this, but it just isn't my style! I'd get far more personal satisfaction knowing I'd got them to do it without realising. The joy is that if it doesn't work they'll never know that I'd tried!

Mark

Delude wrote:Why is everything being blanked out Do people not like using them?

W*rkshy fops like me even censor the word w*rk!

But why? there's nothing wrong with half the words people are censoring are there

May I just make sure that I understand your aims correctly?

You wish to use some genuine subliminal suggestion to influence a group of cynical people to move a glass or planchette around a ouija board to spell out things contained in the material containing the subliminal images and which is also contained in an envelope under the board.

The first thing that occurs to me is that, if they are really cynical, there might not be any movement at all. I've seen it happen with a pendulum and also with a glass during Derren's first tour. If people are trying to resist, you possibly won't get much joy from a ouija. In the particular performance I am thinking of, the glass ended up pretty much going backwards and forwards, because one of the two people was actively resisting any sideways movement.

How do I know this? Because the other person was a friend of mine.

So, one awkward person and the effect is spoiled. Yes, you could ask people to drop out if they are clearly resisiting, but then that defeats your aim of winning over the sceptics.

The second thing is that you should research subliminal imagery thoroughly. My knowledge of this sort of thing could be written on a postage stamp, but I seem to recall the subliminals don't quite work in the way that would suit this effect. It might be an idea to consult a proper study of the subject, perhaps.

It's a nice idea, so don't give up on it, just because I have some reservations about the practicalities.

Part-Timer wrote:The second thing is that you should research subliminal imagery thoroughly. My knowledge of this sort of thing could be written on a postage stamp, but I seem to recall the subliminals don't quite work in the way that would suit this effect. It might be an idea to consult a proper study of the subject, perhaps.

It's a nice idea, so don't give up on it, just because I have some reservations about the practicalities.

Hey, thanks for replying. No I can see there will be a lot of trouble with this, which was why I was asking people about it. I've been playing around with making a video at the moment, altering the number of flashes of information that appear and showing it to my brother to see if he picked it up. Believe it or not he got that it was a girl named Jane I was after the first time. Didn't get the age though.
This seems to be the best way of testing it. Just change the name each time I practice with him though obviously!!
But like I said, if it doesn't work then they were never to know I had anything in mind, and we can just procede with a normal evening in! Crack open the beers maybe!
Thanks for your help. Mark