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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vod18l2UBO8


version 3
as learnt from Joe Rinfleischs Extreme coin magic DVD

That was really nice. Really smooth. But the ringing in the video really hurts. Either that, that's just me.

Seemed to me far too much unneeded body and hand movement, twas like a candle in the wind.

Also, the right hand movements with the hidden coins was very painful.

I don't see the need to try and duplicate an effect which is as near as can be perfect, unless you can't afford to buy it

Spectators would see your hand movements and continual moving around yet with the original effect there are none of those. I don't see the advantage of your effect, sorry

Tenko wrote:Seemed to me far too much unneeded body and hand movement, twas like a candle in the wind.

Also, the right hand movements with the hidden coins was very painful.

I don't see the need to try and duplicate an effect which is as near as can be perfect, unless you can't afford to buy it

Spectators would see your hand movements and continual moving around yet with the original effect there are none of those. I don't see the advantage of your effect, sorry

with a bit of practice to remove the unnecessary hand movements do you still not see the advantage?

Do this:

1: Take a coin in your right hand. Put in in your right hand pocket.
2: Take a coin in your right hand. Palm it. Pretend to put it in your pocket.

Did you notice any difference? My point it, you spend alot of time dropping the coin, and you go really deep into the pocket, just to drop a coin, which might get suspicious reactions.

Silly me. Should have noticed some of these things early. My bad.

Anyways, like rcarlsen said, palm and pretend to drop. Because that's some really deep pockets you got there.

Also, with what Tenko said, you right hand movements where awkward half the time. Near the beginning and when you were pointing with the index finger.

The beginning one is just more practice, but for the index one, palm it and maybe use all things to point/do something fancy.

There is a way to palm without it being noticed. Basically, it's like flicking the coin into your palm to palm. But move your hand in a way where doing that seems natural rather than suspicious. But otherwise, pointing with index finger is relatively fine.

try to relax your muscles. Your hands won't look as awkward then (or at least less bulging vains).

With the body movement towards the end, I don't see a reason for it. Other than that, during the presentation, the body movement wasn't too bad. It's like relaxing into new pose or whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPR0VDRDv2c

any better?

Don't close your hand then pull the coin from the side. Keep the hand open and use a pick up vanish but push the palmed coin to your finger tips as you do, so it looks like you're just picking the coin up out the hand.

Euan

- (my mistake posted in wrong area)

Not exactly sure what you mean, see video below for how i interpreted your advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEaBLiAcT0

EuanBingham wrote:Don't close your hand then pull the coin from the side. Keep the hand open and use a pick up vanish but push the palmed coin to your finger tips as you do, so it looks like you're just picking the coin up out the hand.

Euan

good advice, im not exactly sure how you advise me to do this- do you mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTEaBLiAcT0

That sort of thing yes.. But make it look natural.

Euan

That last one was much better. But the second time (silver coin's turn) you went to pick up the coin (and drop it), to me, it looked like you sort of threw it.

I thing putting your fingers in a position where you're about to pick up the silver coin, drop the duplicate in, thus your fingers are covering it and as you pick up the silver coin, close you fist smoothly (not rapidly or anything like you're trying to cover something) so that as you take your right hand away, the left hand is covering the coin.

Doesn't have to be completely closed but just the left hand's fingers or angle in such a way that they don't see the dopped silver coin.

Everything else was good. You're not as tensed the first one and your movements are a lot smoother.

Now to figure out a way to drop the coins without being suspicious looking? The in the pocket was a good idea but with pockets, presumably you just drop it, don't need to put hand in.

So my tackle on this is:

You have two duplicates in your right hand. Copper and silver. Palm them. Maybe palm one with the classic palm palm while the other is the thumb palm so you know which is which.

As you go to pick up the coin, drop the coin corresponding to that coin and with the coin you picked up, just put it a little higher than the opening of the pocket and just let go of it. Let it drop. Spectators can see you dropped it. You still have your next coin ready to do your next part.

I hope that helps.

hey dave

my appologies, i posted my post in the wrong section

Sorry about that

rcarlsen wrote:Do this:

1: Take a coin in your right hand. Put in in your right hand pocket.
2: Take a coin in your right hand. Palm it. Pretend to put it in your pocket.

Did you notice any difference? My point it, you spend alot of time dropping the coin, and you go really deep into the pocket, just to drop a coin, which might get suspicious reactions.

With the way I do it, I don't go deeper into the pocket (well obviously deeper than just dropping it in from above...)

I actually palm the coin as I'm moving my hand across to the pocket, then put the hand into the pocket with slightly curled fingers (I think this looks as though you're just curling your fingers to get them into the pocket cleanly), then withdraw the hand with somewhat straightened/seperated fingers.

Obviously the downside is that you end up palming while the hand is visible, but with the cover of the moving hand, and the natural action of curling the fingers to stop them catching on the pocket, I think it looks fairly natural - try it with a mirror and see if you agree.

I started off trying to do the palm while in the pocket, but with the constricted movement , I was finding I was having to rummage around for longer than looked acceptable (to me).

Back on the subject of the thread, I think the video looks great, and definitely worth the extra work in order to avoid the use of the gimmick.