the defensive properties of magic

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Postby Steverino » Mar 27th, '06, 13:04



abraxus wrote:and i wonder if in the olden days magicians would offer to duel each other - wands at twenty paces gentlemen....

or cowboy-magicians letting loose at each other...


I like the image of Wyatt Ammar and Doc Houdini in a western style shootout against Buffalo Blaine and Butch Copperfield. :D

"hey copperfield, I'm a callin' you out"

"Well I know what you're thinkin' did he fire 3 cards or 52. Well the truth is, I don't know. But maybe this is a 58 shooter gimmicked deck with extra aces. Do you feel lucky? Well do ya?"

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Postby trulymental » Mar 28th, '06, 12:35

....punk...! very funny Steverino.....

I once went to a pub in Brick Lane with a thought-transmitter and a brainwave deck to my name....no cash...no tobacco...no food...

Came back drunk with 50g of Golden Virginia and went via KFC....when I told the owner her mother's maiden name I got a free Fillet Burger with cheese meal....

Not exactly defensive magic but I thought resourceful....!

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Postby monsieur incredible » Mar 28th, '06, 21:50

steel shimmed cards like ninja stars :D
just vanish in a puff of smoke like the classic magicians of the films. or the best yet use a raven to pikey his knife then leg it!! then your 100m away and have his knife

i've given this too much thought im scaring myself im gunna go lie down for a bit.

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Postby Steverino » Mar 28th, '06, 23:14

monsieur incredible wrote:best yet use a raven to pikey his knife then leg it!! then your 100m away and have his knife


I'm not really pro the idea of a knife flying rapidly toward my hand. :shock:

funny idea though :)

Maybe a better bet would be to have a small piece of stab resistant material on your clothes, with a large PK kit in front of it, so that wherever they try to stab you, they hit there :D

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Postby katrielalex » Mar 28th, '06, 23:21

Now THAT made me laugh!

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Postby Steverino » Mar 29th, '06, 00:59

:D

Probably worth adding a disclaimer for the over enthusiastic or just plain stupid...

None of these ideas will work, and will most likely result in your death.

Probably the safest option is to hand over whatever they ask for, and run for the police as soon as safe to do so.

Any suggestion that it might be a good idea to deflect knife blows using a TT should be ignored unless you want to end up with a very realistic TT. Flash powder blown up their nostrils is only likely to make them angrier. Pen thru anything will not help in these situations.

One of those sylvester 10 foot appearing poles however... Any mugger who doesn't run when he sees that should be feared indeed.

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Postby magicdiscoman » Mar 29th, '06, 08:16

i used to carry an apearing cane metal vesion with me for this very purpose but then i used to live in landport for a wile were all the thugs carry knives.
its amasing to see the shock on there faces when you produce what they think is going to be a knife then it turns into a 4ft steel asp (police trunchion) like weapon and start spinning it around like you know kung fu or something.

got me out of a few scrapes i can tell you.


very important point and i should point out that knives were i lived were used for intimidation not for hacking chunks out of each other.
that said if you ever hit yourself in the face using a steel cane you will apreciate the added "front" it gives you when faced down by a thug with a fruit knife.

I'm sure this thread is taken in the toungue in cheek way it has degenerated too.

you could just shove a change bag over his head and "change" his mind. :lol:

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Postby Steverino » Mar 29th, '06, 13:24

magicdiscoman wrote:very important point and i should point out that knives were i lived were used for intimidation not for hacking chunks out of each other.


Hehe :) Fortunately I've never been involved with a real knife encounter, however a few years ago, I was at a class with my Karate club, which involved a day of learning knife fighting techniques, then a mini tournament thing. Don't worry, we were using rubber knifes :D

I "won" all the bouts I was in, due to hitting with what would have been rapidly fatal strikes, but the instructor pointed out that I would have been dead fairly shortly due to massive blood loss from cuts to the arms - had the knives been real. Anyway, everybody had a good time.

The point being that getting involved with anyone carrying a knife means that in all likelihood you will get badly hurt - even if you know what you're doing, and manage to disarm or incapacitate your opponent. Also, generally carrying weapons of your own means you're more likely to injure yourself unless you have good training (no, watching a rambo movie doesn't count :)), not to mention legal and moral issues.

Just thought it would be worth setting the record straight in case any impressionable people read this. rant over...

Back to the tongue-in-cheek magic theme, if that ever happens to me, I'll pull out a bag of woofle dust, and make myself disappear. They'll also be so disgusted at my poor cover to ditch stuff in my pockets that they'll probably just walk off anyway.

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Copperfield Defense

Postby archimage » Apr 26th, '06, 17:21

Obtained from Fox News and thought it was relevant to this thread:

WEST PALM BEACH, Florida — Illusionist David Copperfield magically escaped getting robbed.

After his show at a West Palm Beach performing arts center Sunday Copperfield was walking with two female assistants back to their tour bus when four teenagers pulled up in a black car and two armed demanded the group's belongings, according to police.

An assistant handed over $400 from her pockets while the other gave up her purse with euro200, $100, her passport, plane tickets and a cellphone. Copperfield refused to empty his pockets, the report said.

Copperfield says he turned his pockets inside out to reveal nothing in them, even though he was carrying his passport, wallet and cell phone.

"Call it reverse pick-pocketing," Copperfield told The Palm Beach Post for its Wednesday editions.

When the alleged robbers left in the car Copperfield read the license plate number to an assistant while she called 911.

Four teenagers were arrested shortly after and the assistants' property recovered. They were charged with armed robbery and are being held without bond. Three of the alleged robbers are 17, while the fourth, Dwayne Riley, is 18-years-old.

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Postby Durto » Apr 26th, '06, 19:26

Altough it looks sweet, I find it hard to believe...
I mean, could David Copperfield walk up to his bus, with two assistants (wich should be hot, as usual) and get robbed? No one was looking at David Copperfield or the two hotties? no one to insure their security or at least a crazed out fan desparated for an autograph?
Naaaaaaaaaa!

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Postby mgould » Apr 26th, '06, 19:59

My dad knew a magician who has since passed away that used a Metal Appearing Cane to stop a mugger. He just opened it right up into the guys face :o

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Postby archimage » Apr 26th, '06, 20:41

C'mon! This came from a reputable news site Fox News. Not to say that big news networks get thing wrong, but I tend to believe this one.

Here is the link:
Headline: Copperfield uses illusion to evade robbery

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193140,00.html

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Postby Flash » Apr 26th, '06, 21:07

I don't think it was really David Copperfield I mean why wasn't he floating to the coach? :wink:

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Postby Durto » Apr 26th, '06, 21:37

Yeah, the real Copperfield would have turn his two hot assistant into deadly white tigers to attack the robbers! (or was it Copperfield... :roll:;)
Still, I sincerely doesn't believe that story! sorry! Serious news channel can make mistakes to (it happens most often than you think, juste read the "oups" section of your local newspaper! Maybe it was another magician, or the story got distorted...

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Re: news

Postby Steverino » Apr 26th, '06, 22:48

archimage wrote:C'mon! This came from a reputable news site Fox News.


Difficult to tell if you're being sarcastic there :) I understand Fox have a nodding aquaintance with truthful impartial reporting.

There are a few news companies running this story, but it probably all boils down to the same source. Reputable journalists would have checked the arrest details with the police I'm sure.
http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=u ... earch+News

I'd guess it's probably broadly true as it looks like fox didn't originate it, and the PR benefits would be minimal (I imagine).

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