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Craig Browning wrote:

Pcwizme wrote:my only view would be to go to a scientific place and ask for a test, as they have been trying since 1939 to find people with this abbility as they wanted to use it against the germans in the 2nd would war...they failed

He, he... you obvious know nothing about the New Forest Group and all that was just declassified around them in the past ten or so years. They were an ultra-top secret group used by the allies at the occult level against the Nazis. I personally know several people that were involved in that group and knew about a good deal of what went on via the group long before bits and pieces were approved for general release. There's much more to the overall tale however.

Wow Declassified info on the occult and Nazi's that isn't available through google! Are you sure it was declassified? Maybe its still secret I'd investigate before you tell us more you may be breaking the official secrets act.

Oh there is this nutter but he doesn't mention much about witchcraft being used against the nazi

http://www.geraldgardner.com/Gardner46-49_print.PDF

Or if you google - telekinesis Nazis allies - you get these guys

http://www.jas.com/wolverineworld/Histo ... llies2.htm

They sound like good people to have on your side, particularly Charles Xavier even if he is in a wheel chair.

You do realize that to some people in the World Gerald Gardner is comparable to the Pope, right?

As I've said before google don't have all the answers.

Gardner was however, part of New Forrest as were several other noted authors within the New Age/Wiccan movement that followed the war years.

The one you'll enjoy is the "power behind the throne" as it were; a man named George Pickingale (sp?) who is said to have trained Gardner and another lad by the name of Crowley. He was also recognized as "the only other true wizard Britan had ever known, besides Merlin"

I don't know about all that, but the man was most certainly wicked

Now, more to the point JD... I need your Boss's email address so I can tell him to increase your workload... you're getting far too bored and having too much fun poking the big American bear.

Craig Browning wrote:
Now, more to the point JD... I need your Boss's email address so I can tell him to increase your workload... you're getting far too bored and having too much fun poking the big American bear.

Craig Browning wrote:You do realize that to some people in the World Gerald Gardner is comparable to the Pope, right?

I heard he is big in some circles. Crop circles

Don't get me started on the Pope those guys have only just accepted the earth goes round the sun and not vice versa.

Johndoe wrote:Don't get me started on the Pope those guys have only just accepted the earth goes round the sun and not vice versa.

Despite the Vatican Observatory being one of the oldest astranomical institutions in the world, and despite having more Nobel Prize winners on staff per capita than any other, the Vatican itself only pardoned Gallileo in 1990!

There's a really clever artist called Maurizio Catalan who once did a waxwork of Pope JP2 in the act of being struck down and killed by a meteorite that's crashed through a skylight above him. Well, it made me laugh, anyway.

Johndoe wrote:

Craig Browning wrote:You do realize that to some people in the World Gerald Gardner is comparable to the Pope, right?

I heard he is big in some circles. Crop circles

Don't get me started on the Pope those guys have only just accepted the earth goes round the sun and not vice versa.

He has a lot to do with "Circles" but not Crop Circles I'm afraid... you are mixing occult practice with ET & Company... that's o.k. most people that don't take the time to actually study this side of things get it all mixed up and of course, there's that massive umbrella under which anything and everything remotely questionable in the mind of the "intellects" falls under... it's always amazed me how it's ok for them to use that Broad Brush for painting things but when you turn the tables on them, they scream about you doing the same thing (kind of makes you wonder if there aren't some double-standards in play, y'know...)

Gardner bastardized (according to some) "true" wiccan philosophy by incorporating his own Nudist points of view. Fortunately, a good chunk of the misinformation he sewed into the philosophy has been slowly corrected over the years by both, his own contemporaries as well as legit anthroplogical research around the ancient Pagan faiths of the Celtic lands, Egypt, etc. Sadly though, some serious damage has been done and certain misconceptions transformed into a sort of cover-all fact in the minds of anti-pagan groups.

As to the concept of "Magick" and how this is seen by the legit Pagan/Metaphysical culture, I can assure you that Hollywood and the Televangelists both have things exceptionally wrong. A cursory study of actual Hermetic Science and the Hermetic Axioms will reveal that all "Magick" is nothing but Physics, Chemistry a bit of Psychology and Math.



Hate to break it to you JD, but the real Occultists have known this truth for eons. It does not make what we do, when it comes to "Magick" something fake or maniacle, it just means there is a "secret" to it and with learning those deeper (more innocent) truths, we are able to evolve as human beings i.e. the famed quest of the Alchemist in which the tainted soul (lead) was transformed to gold (Gnosis -- true enlightenment via the path of knowledge and knowing one's self at honest and honorable levels.)

As I've explained before John, we really are on the same page, we just approach the topic from different points of view... mine being just a hint older and more "proven" than the wave you insist on riding.