Some advices on the Flushtration Count ?

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Some advices on the Flushtration Count ?

Postby Mydas » Jun 19th, '06, 10:19



It's part of the "Jumping Gemini" and I really think that it's the dumbest part of the trick; people I perform to always seem to get what I'm doing, it's not convincing at all. What would make a Flushtration Count look good ?

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Postby kems » Jun 19th, '06, 10:26

I used to think that, but it seems to work, the only advice I would give is try and do it like it don’t really matter. don’t make it obvious that your trying to show the backs all the same. if that makes sense?

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Postby Mydas » Jun 19th, '06, 14:22

It makes a bit of sense..but I'm not showing the same back, I'm showing the same face of a card (e.g. A of Hearts), trying to convince all 4 cards are Aces of Hearts. Not too convincing, if you ask me ... :(

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 19th, '06, 16:20

With not knowing exactly how this trick works and all that I don't know if this will be of any use, but you could always use a slightly more cinvincing count? Orion count for example?

You wont find much better anywhere and it's nothing - a rigmarole with a few bits of paper and lots of spiel. That is Mentalism

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Postby Kevin Cann » Jun 19th, '06, 16:20

Make up a story to go with the trick and casually show the cards 1 at a time while telling the story. Don't say "I have here 4 ace of hearts ,1...2...3...4" as that draws attention to the cards too much.

Also as you draw the top card off with your left hand seperate your hands by about a foot before you show the card with your right hand.

If you can work the patter so that you can ask them a question or catch their eye as you do each move thus drawing their eyes away from the move then even better but if you are telling a story they tend to look at you rather than concentrate on the cards anyway. So, start by looking them in the eye & telling the story, as you reveal each card look at it, then as you bring your hands together to do the move again, look them in the eye again etc.

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Postby Mydas » Jun 19th, '06, 16:44

The Flushtration Count comes right after I show that each card of the four is an Ace of Hearts (through lifts). What story would I make up ? Because I'm just showing the "Aces" again, right after I've shown them the first time. It should be a convincer (while reversing the order to set me up for the next part), but it doesn't convince much. Should I just reverste the order (excuse would be counting them out loud) ?

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Postby Kevin Cann » Jun 19th, '06, 16:54

I'm not sure what you are trying to achieve so can't suggest patter but remember that we should be trying to entertain through magic not just do a cool trick so, unless you do a silent act to music, patter should always be invented & rehearsed as this is what elevates something from a simple trick to real unforgettable entertaining magic :)

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Postby Mydas » Jun 20th, '06, 08:54

I agree. Some guyz told me I talk just like Blaine (because he's the one who inspired me) and that's good. I never forget to patter, because I'm well aware of how much this matters ... but again, regarding Jumping Gemini ... I go something like (while doing some lifts with the four cards) : the first card is an Ace of Hearts, the second card is an Ace of Hearts, the third card is an Ace of Hearts and also the last card is an Ace of Hearts. Then (while Flushtrating) I say something like : They are all Aces of Hearts, there is no two anymore (I start the trick with four twos), not even the two of spades that kept jumping to the top; but that's impossible, because ... (going to part 3 of the trick).

Is my patter good ? :| I mean I'm saying "THEY ARE ALL ACES OF HEARTS" while doing the Flushtration Count and I'm forced to do it very quickly, because people often catch me (it's the weakest part of the trick).

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 20th, '06, 10:27

:shock: As previously mentioned, I don't know the secret to the trick, however I do use the flushtration count for a different trick.
Never draw attention to it... it is NOT that deceptive.

Using an Orion count I can still get away with showing my girlfriend 5 "8 of Hearts" in a poker hand, but flushtration just isn't that convincing.
Drop the magicians guilt and act naturally :wink:
I'm always going on about the importance of acting naturally these days, but that's because my skill has improved somewhat... If you act naturally and don't make anything seem like a "move" 9 times out of 10 you'll never be caught out.

For a real "here's how" tip, when doing the flushtration count, don't look at your hands, just casually count them off one by one and show the faces quickly, it gives time for it to register, but not so much time they think "Hang on..."


Hope that helps!

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Postby Mydas » Jun 20th, '06, 13:32

It really helps, thank you very much.
I'd love to go out nice and slow doing the Flushtration, but it's that part, when I strip the top card and show the bottom again that makes people "Wait a second, you're showing bottom and dealing top ...". It happened too many times, and I am often not even doing the Flushtration anymore.

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