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I find that I'm prepared to pay more for my magic when I buy it from a physical magic shop. It's odd really, it's the same product but once you are there looking right at it you part with your cash alot easier. Shame there is no magic shop near me though...

Dearie me. It appears that lots of rather excitable people are jumping up and down in quite a lather. Most of them seem to be schoolchildren defending a fellow schoolchild.

Nothing wrong with being a child of course. I was one once. However I was one with a sense of humour.

As for the British I consider them to be a most unworthy group of people. Terribly aggressive branch of humanity which no doubt accounts for them conquering the world and producing the most famous breed of football hooligans anywhere. An example of this dreadful behaviour which should not be tolerated in the upper class circles in which I frequent is manifest in this very forum.

Lots of nasty young men ganging together to bully a most saintly and innocent man of the cloth like myself should not be tolerated. If the children here were Canadian children they wouldn't act in such a manner. They would nod in polite fascination at my gentle words of wisdom and soak up the knowledge.

I am British myself and am in a position to make a judgement on the matter.

As for personal attacks there aren't any. You are all imagining things and acting in a knee jerk reaction instead of pausing for air, taking a deep breath and using your supposedly superior British intelligence to figure out what is going on.

You don't know do you?

Let me give you a clue. Think of a watch or a clock. What do you do with them?

Think about it. Get back to me when you have worked it out.

And now let us get back to Murray. He once told me in his great wisdom
"if you go through life and never do business with a crook you will never get anything done"
I expect some of the older and less stuffy members of this forum will see the great wisdom of this advice.

If indeed Bicycle cards are the norm in Britain now because of the presence of some dreadful American card game then I consider this to be the end of civilisation as we know it. What happened to Waddingtons Bridge size? Truly Britain is now becoming like Canada. A suburb of the Excited States of America.

I am pleased that Eckozero is silly enough to be patriotic. However I do wish that he would use rather less vulgar words to describe parts of the human anatomy. Especially in front of members of the priesthood.

As for the title of your awful country (of which I happen to be a citizen) I suggest that you look at the inside of your passport. You will see that I am correct.

Tomo wants to see if I can match the expertise of the young pups here. I can. I can.

Everything comes to he who waits. However for the impatient I suggest going to www.mental-list.com/forum. If I have the url wrong I will post it again. It is a mentalism group which is now defunct but the owner keeps it up for reading only. You will see my great wisdom there.

However I don't just know about mentalism. I know how to do kid shows, sell svengali decks, do psychic readings, hypnotism and close up magic. Truly I am a most wondrous genius beyond compare and I admire this great talent with the utmost frequency. However for the benefit of young Scottish card magicians and others it may interest them particularly to know that I am also the most entertaing card magician in the world when working impromptu to laymen.

Normally I wouldn't mention the above on the grounds of great and incredible modesty but Tomo did ask and it would be rude of me not to answer.

I would suggest that before answering me you all take a deep breath and pause. It would be beneficial for you all to do the watch and clock exercise before answering. If you figure it out it will be the start of great wisdom.

I wish young ace of kev no harm and he sounds like a most honest young man. I hope this good character is not going to be a downfall in life for him. In the meantime it will be interesting to see if a young Scottish card magician has the sense to learn from an old Scottish card magician with an evil sense of humour.

I sense it would be wise for all you young people (and the older ones too) to hold your tongue before answering, figure out the watch and clock thing and then do a bit of research before getting excited. You wouldn't want to go into a war without getting all the facts would you?

You wouldn't want people to think you were like George Bush and Tony Blair would you?

The mental list url was indeed wrong but not by much. It will direct you to the correct page if you study it. Just click on to "forum"

mark lewis wrote:Dearie me. It appears that lots of rather excitable people are jumping up and down in quite a lather. Most of them seem to be schoolchildren defending a fellow schoolchild.

Nothing wrong with being a child of course. I was one once. However I was one with a sense of humour.

So none of us have a sense of humour?
I don't know about the rest of the guys here, but I for one don't find anything remotely humourous about slagging us all off.

As for the British I consider them to be a most unworthy group of people. Terribly aggressive branch of humanity which no doubt accounts for them conquering the world and producing the most famous breed of football hooligans anywhere. An example of this dreadful behaviour which should not be tolerated in the upper class circles in which I frequent is manifest in this very forum.

An elitist toff. You must be quite the devil with the ladies.

Lots of nasty young men ganging together to bully a most saintly and innocent man of the cloth like myself should not be tolerated. If the children here were Canadian children they wouldn't act in such a manner. They would nod in polite fascination at my gentle words of wisdom and soak up the knowledge.

Too bad we're not Canadian. And I for one don't see that being a Holy man gives you any right to tell us all how much we suck.

I am British myself and am in a position to make a judgement on the matter.

Quite a terrible branch of humanity. Indeed.

As for personal attacks there aren't any. You are all imagining things and acting in a knee jerk reaction instead of pausing for air, taking a deep breath and using your supposedly superior British intelligence to figure out what is going on.

Telling Kev he's a foolish schoolboy is a personal attack. And that is a blatant attack on Britons, saying we're all stupid too. You're on quite a roll today.

Let me give you a clue. Think of a watch or a clock. What do you do with them?

Think about it. Get back to me when you have worked it out.

You look at them without paying any particular attention to them. Shall we do that to you?

If indeed Bicycle cards are the norm in Britain now because of the presence of some dreadful American card game then I consider this to be the end of civilisation as we know it. What happened to Waddingtons Bridge size? Truly Britain is now becoming like Canada. A suburb of the Excited States of America.

I'm fairly sure that 5 card stud is an English game. As is Brag... these use poker cards too.

I am pleased that Eckozero is silly enough to be patriotic. However I do wish that he would use rather less vulgar words to describe parts of the human anatomy. Especially in front of members of the priesthood.

Scratch one up for the insults... Being patriotic is silly now?
And for the final part - I apologise. I did not wish to cause offence with my "vulgar words"

As for the title of your awful country (of which I happen to be a citizen) I suggest that you look at the inside of your passport. You will see that I am correct.

Doubtlessy this will make me an ignoramus but I don't have a passport. Namely because, my family, nor myself have never been rich enough to go abroad. And if you hate Britain so much, why not apply for a Canadian citizenship?

Truly I am a most wondrous genius beyond compare and I admire this great talent with the utmost frequency. However for the benefit of young Scottish card magicians and others it may interest them particularly to know that I am also the most entertaing card magician in the world when working impromptu to laymen.

Can we say "narcisist"?

I sense it would be wise for all you young people (and the older ones too) to hold your tongue before answering, figure out the watch and clock thing and then do a bit of research before getting excited. You wouldn't want to go into a war without getting all the facts would you?

This is no war. This is just me expressing my disdain of your arrogance and using of religion to justify everything you do and say.

Ok, I have had some air, then I took hold of my watch, but it suddenly stopped working. So I proceeded to “wind up” the watch to get it working again.

Wind Up: is a noun of Joke, Trick, Prank
Or as Verve: Tease, Make fun of, Infuriate also Bring to an end and liquidate etc etc.

Leighton is a bright lad for a Brummie.

I must now reprimand this awful Eckozero child for not taking a deep breath before responding as I advised. He calls me a "holy man". I am glad to see it. Some people consider me most unholy but then they do not have a spiritual disposition.

I did not tell Kev that he was a "foolish schoolboy" I merely said he was an honest one and that this was most unfortunate. I also said that he had led a sheltered life and I found it rather odd that he would want to buy American cards. Hardly a ringing denunciation. I didn't exactly call him Adolf Hitler you know.

Which reminds me. It is Adolf's birthday today. Never liked the chap though. I come across him when I visit the spirit world. He rants a lot.

Talking about ranting I see that Ecko does rather a lot of it. Perhaps he should learn the value of tact. I would be happy to act as a role model in this regard for him.

I did not say that all Britons were stupid. I didn't once mention Blackpool holidaymakers in my post.

And of course patriotism is silly. It breeds wars and I have never understood the rather silly notion that just because of a geographical accident of where you happen to be born you should be loyal to that particular country. After all you had no say in the matter.

I don't hate Britain. I find it a most amusing place full of rude and ignorant people just like myself although naturally not as bright. I must say that this makes a refreshing change from boring polite Canada. And for the information of this distressing waif I must inform him that I DO have Canadian citizenship as well as British. The main advantage of this is that I cannot be deported.

I must say that for someone who is wondering if he should show "particular attention" to me he appears to be doing a very bad job of it. He seems quite fascinated with me. I can of course undestand this attitude perfectly and indeed I share it.

He appears to be a young hothead and would make good cannon fodder for the British army since he is patriotic and likes to fight with people when there is actually no need to.

I only wish him well and want to further his magic. If he cannot handle a simple psychic reverend like myself how on earth is he going to handle the hecklers and audiences that are REALLY against him.

I am a terribly important person and I am not sure I have the time to respond to this budding football hooligan any further unless he learns to meditate on what a watch really means.

I shall see if he improves himself.

Such a shame this thread has twisted itself. I was looking forward to a good debate about the pricing of magic.

Only one other thing to add, I only live in Birmingham and am not a Brummie by birth, I was actually hatched in Wales, but I did marry a Brummie girl

stephenmagic wrote:Such a shame this thread has twisted itself. I was looking forward to a good debate about the pricing of magic.

(The best thing to do with a troll is to deny them the oxygen of a response.)

I wonder how much work would be involved in setting up a dedicated magic price comparison engine? The general ones seem to have categories that are too wide to be really useful. For some bulk purchases such as consumables, I've taken to finding a price at the first place I come to, then using Google to look for the full pounds value. I.e. if it's £11.99 then I search for the description and "£11" to see if there are any slightly lower prices available, then with "£10" and so on. The main problem is that you start shopping around, see something interesting and before you know it you're caught up in a CUPS attack!

I think the main thing about the pricing differences is that all busineses are diferent. So if one person thinks that a certain stock will shift quickly at the right price, he might buy in bulk and pass on the saving, whereas if someone specialises in one part of magic he might not buy in as much stock in another area and not be able to pass onthe savings. Perhaps it pays to use different dealers for different things.

EDIT: Don't forget that some places might look a bit more expensive but they might offer discounts and loyalty schemes. The points can really rack up without you noticing, especially if you've got an itchy "confirm order" finger.

Yes stock is a major factor. For example if i purchased 144 pads of flash paper i could get it cheaper than if i purchased 24. So i may pass the saving on the customer. However if i had an actual shop and five staff i would have to consider wages, overheads etc. There are so many factors involved in pricing. Another example is import tax. If i purchased 10 'Electric touches' i will have a high import tax to pay. This may be added on to the price of the product. If a new product is launched and the wholesale price is low i may order 48. Then i could offer a special launch price.

I know Wales well. I can even count up to 9 in Welsh, one of my more useless accomplishments in life.

I have ripped off the good citizens of Cardiff on many, many occasions. One of the advantages of working to the Welsh is that they are somewhat more comprehensible than the Brummies. When I first went to Birmingham I couldn't understand a word they said. In fact they might as well have spoken Welsh.

I think we had better get back to discussing the prices of magic. A gentleman from Lowestoft is waxing irritable.

I spent a Summer in Lowestoft once. I can see why he would be irritable.
I wonder if that Salmon magician fellow still lives there. Or was that Norwich? Oh never mind. I suppose we should be talking about the prices of magic.

I would have thought that the answer was easy. If the price is too expensive don't buy it.

I shall give you all a tip. Buy from Canada. The prices are much cheaper because the pound is so strong. There is a magic shop in Canada called the Browser's Den. Lots of British magicians on holiday go in there and are astonished at how cheap the tricks are in comparison to British dealers. They seem to complain about Davenport's prices more than anyone else. Of course they have London rents to pay which are horrendous. The Canadian prices are far cheaper.

If I see less impertinence on this thread from rude British schoolboys I will post an url where they can get their tricks cheaper. They had better be nice though.

Don't start on me you sad little man! you are not dealing with some little boy here (no offence to our younger friends). Rant all you want, your words mean nothing to me. Pathetic!

mark lewis wrote:Leighton is a bright lad for a Brummie.

I must now reprimand this awful Eckozero child for not taking a deep breath before responding as I advised. He calls me a "holy man". I am glad to see it. Some people consider me most unholy but then they do not have a spiritual disposition.

I did not tell Kev that he was a "foolish schoolboy" I merely said he was an honest one and that this was most unfortunate. I also said that he had led a sheltered life and I found it rather odd that he would want to buy American cards. Hardly a ringing denunciation. I didn't exactly call him Adolf Hitler you know.

Which reminds me. It is Adolf's birthday today. Never liked the chap though. I come across him when I visit the spirit world. He rants a lot.

Talking about ranting I see that Ecko does rather a lot of it. Perhaps he should learn the value of tact. I would be happy to act as a role model in this regard for him.

I did not say that all Britons were stupid. I didn't once mention Blackpool holidaymakers in my post.

And of course patriotism is silly. It breeds wars and I have never understood the rather silly notion that just because of a geographical accident of where you happen to be born you should be loyal to that particular country. After all you had no say in the matter.

I don't hate Britain. I find it a most amusing place full of rude and ignorant people just like myself although naturally not as bright. I must say that this makes a refreshing change from boring polite Canada. And for the information of this distressing waif I must inform him that I DO have Canadian citizenship as well as British. The main advantage of this is that I cannot be deported.

I must say that for someone who is wondering if he should show "particular attention" to me he appears to be doing a very bad job of it. He seems quite fascinated with me. I can of course undestand this attitude perfectly and indeed I share it.

He appears to be a young hothead and would make good cannon fodder for the British army since he is patriotic and likes to fight with people when there is actually no need to.

I only wish him well and want to further his magic. If he cannot handle a simple psychic reverend like myself how on earth is he going to handle the hecklers and audiences that are REALLY against him.

I am a terribly important person and I am not sure I have the time to respond to this budding football hooligan any further unless he learns to meditate on what a watch really means.

I shall see if he improves himself.

Yes. Quite a terrible young child indeed.
A hothead yes, a patriotic hothead. Yes. Apparently.

No one has ever used those words to describe me but in your infinite wisdom and grace I guess you must be right eh?


Furthermore I only call you a holy man as a vocation. Not because I have any belief in you or your "psychic" abilities.
Personally I don't believe in psychics. But I suppose that also makes me a foolish child.

Oh and thanks for the direct reference to Adolf Hitler.
Nice to know I can still cause a reaction.

I've handled hecklers before.
I've been out and performed in pubs to strangers, and on streets. And lots of people try to ruin things for me.
You on the other hand are something else entirely.
You seem determined to make everyone think I'm a little retard.

You will be sorely disappointed.

I don't need to have my head up my own backside to get respect - which I doubt you have, apart from any "respect" you might have from a bunch of similarly narrow minded elitists.

Try to tell everyone how much I suck.

I'll enjoy watching it to be honest.

Yeah... sign me up to the army. Why not eh?

Someone to shoot at who isn't as "superior" as you.

Although if you were in the army, I wouldn't be surprised if one of your own soldiers shot you.

EckoZero just ignore him. I have seen this type of person before, they just want attention. He is doing this to get a reaction. People like that are not worth it. Good on you for standing up for yourself mate!

I can only hope he's doing a wonderful job of parodying toffs...

If not, he really is daft