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Cardza wrote:

ian69 wrote:Is that clear enough? Once people have taken the trouble to research their field a bit he might be willing to give a few pointers, though not to people who haven't and who come here expecting essays when they haven't put in the time themselves.

What do you know about what I've researched and what I haven't, who I've spoken to about it and who I haven't?

I really haven't the faintest idea, nor was my comment directed at anyone in particular, was it? Still, I shall ponder the issue overnight.

Fair enough. Admittedly I did get a little bit too worked up last night, but hey ho. I have a hard time working Mark out sometimes. Oh, and by the way I've studied and looked at psychology, biological psychology, hypnosis, NLP, body language etc. etc. So I have done my research, which is why I was quite quick to jump in with that.

A young man inexperienced in the ways of the world I may be, but I still have opinions which I am afraid I am going to cast out however unwilling you may be to know them.

I believe I know a fair bit about these areas (although far from an expert of course) but on the whole when I see two people arguing about whether or not hypnotism is real they often seem to be saying the same thing in different ways. The real difference often boils down to whether or not they accept the common definition of hypnotism (in which case they say that this hypnotism doesn not exist) or whether they simply believe that the common sense definition is simply wrong (in which case they say that hypnotism does exist). Again, I am by no means an expert in this, but I should know something given that I have an exam in this stuff in six days.

And yes, I find Mark Lewis incredibly funny. (By God I hope he intends to be otherwise that is quite rude).

Sorry for spewing my opinions all over the place.

Giz

If you wish to pass your exam you must spout a big word or two. Here is something for you to waffle about and impress the examiners with.

There are two categories which people fit into with regard to this. You are either a state theorist or a non-state theorist. If you use those terms in your exam you will sound terribly intellectual. A state theorist will be daft enough to believe in the claptrap of an altered state of conciousness and a non-state theorist is someone like me who believes the whole thing is a load of cobblers.

You will find that most hypnotists and psychologists divide themselves into one of these two categories. A few will not be sure one way or the other. I would imagine that only around 25% are non state-theorists.

Cardza wrote:I have a hard time working Mark out sometimes.

Life's too short. I just ignore his drivel and move on.

For someone who is ignoring my drivel you seem to spend an awful lot of time reading it. I am psychic and know these thngs.

Incidentally I must inform Tomo that the revered Ormond McGill whom he mentioned in a previous post also knew perfectly well that hypnosis was a load of claptrap as does another legendary hypnotist Gil Boyne.

You wouldn't think so from their writings and teachings but I am MARK LEWIS and know these things.

Not that I am one to gossip of course.

The fact that "hypnotism" only works on people who want to be "hypnotised" should speak volumes.

Yes because hypnotism in part requires the direction and the focussing of attention. If someone is unwilling to do this, as in they are unwilling to be hypnotised, this is of course not going to happen. It's much the same reason why it is impossible to hypnotise the mentally ill or the intoxicated. Of course there is much much more to hypnotism than this, but I don't really have the inclination to get drawn in to yet another "debate" about this. I've stated my view, it's not going to change, just as Mark's isn't either.

So now I am following Tomo's advice and withdrawing myself from this debate.

You know...I didn't intend to start this big fight...I just wanted a book recomendation

Oh all right then. Anything by Ormond McGill should do the trick. Trick being the operative word since that is really all that is going on. The hypnotist and the subjects are both tricking themselves.

The other source of information is naturally the MARK LEWIS HYPNOSIS COURSE. This is a video course consisting of 3 90 minute tapes and one 90 minute audiotape.

If you are rich you send me $150 for the course. If you are not rich then you buy Ormond McGills NEW ENCYCLOPEDIA OF STAGE HYPNOSIS which I think costs under 50 quid. Perhaps way under. I cannot remember the price.

Of course if you have money coming of your ears you can buy both my course and Ormond's book.

And you will have money coming out of your ears once you become a stage hypnotist. That is if nobody sues you first. I have always believed that you cannot call yourself a stage hypnotist until someone sues you and it will happen sooner or later.

I am still waiting.......................

Why do I feel that someone should add to the bottom of this,

'And they all lived happily ever after.'

"for ever and ever"

"To be continued in part 2..."

Cardza wrote:It's much the same reason why it is impossible to hypnotise the mentally ill or the intoxicated.

Ahmmm, ok why I am adding my 2pence worth I don't know (Mark will he is Phycic) lol

I have seen people intoxicated be "hypnotised" or more to the point, actualy influanced by the power of "suggestion" suggestion is a very powerful thing as is music, I have played many many nightclubs and I have seen people out of their skull on chemicals, I have been aware that they are totaly tranced by the music.... set the scene, Dark Room, Random Bright Lights (to focus on, therefore gaining their attention) Deep Base Sounds (ressonating through their bodies), Repeted Vocals(replaying through their minds for the whole night), Gaps of Silence (just to dis-orientate them) Back in with the repetitave sounds, it causes a pattern for their brains to follow. All of a sudden 30 -40 people collapse on the dance floor going a "Whiter Shade of Pale" friends pouring water all over them in an attempt to chill them out somewhat.... drink this orange juice, they say, eat this chocolate bar, you need to get some sugar in you.....

People are very easy to manipulate, sometimes too easy.......

Was that mass hypnosis? or just people under the power of suggestion?
However you look at it, it does happen, and it is powerfull!

I no longer play this kind of music in this way.

Thanks for reading, I probably went right off thread on this one, so sorry about that, I just felt the need to respond with my own story. (I was probably hypnotised by the text!) lol

I was watching this open university late program a while ago about some guys who were writing music specifically for the purpose of inducing trance in nightclubs - it wasn't called trance music, it was something else.

But they had discovered that using lights and music together they could create a drug induced state without the drugs.

they said it was safer

Is it we ask ourselves?