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Postby katrielalex » Jun 10th, '06, 08:57



Yes... :?

I seem to be the only person here who understood this effect! Nice job ecko...

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Postby Dave S » Jun 10th, '06, 10:18

I think the patter needs sorting out, but once you got that sorted, you have a pretty good effect there! :D

Theres a version kind of like this in smoke and Mirrors, which is fantastic.

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Postby costas » Jun 10th, '06, 12:06

EckoZero,

Where do I start? While I did enjoy your performance especially because you added your voice to it – giving it that personal touch; I think you still need to work on a couple of things.

Firstly, regarding your drop (now, I think you mentioned it was not a drop; if this is the case then you can ignore this paragraph, but still you should make an effort to not make it look like one irregardless). Try to set up well before you do the drop. I would recommend doing it before the pack is cut – in other words don’t set up while half the pack is hovering over the selected card – it looks a little suspicious.

I also think your manoeuvre to erase the signature ;) should be a little smoother. What I mean by this is that the flow should be constant and even - there should be no pauses so as not to arouse suspicion.

Regarding the set up for your DL; I would recommend that you tilt the front of the deck a little higher when you do it – in order to mask your hand movements - and after that I would give the front of the deck a riffle, let go of the deck with you right hand, then go for the DL. This would serve as misdirection and make it hard for a spectator to link your set up with the DL.

Nonetheless, it was enjoyable to watch. I find it a pity that more people don’t add their voice to their video performances.

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 10th, '06, 13:27

Thanks guys....

Yeah it's just an idea that's been lurking, and the video wasn't really the same as my performance. I go on about being cheeky and even if spectators sign cards we cheeky magicians can still make the signature vanish. Then I say that as magicians, we can't get their signature back, they have to do that bit :D

When I get home from work I may do a more accurate performance video, complete with using your tips :D

You wont find much better anywhere and it's nothing - a rigmarole with a few bits of paper and lots of spiel. That is Mentalism

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 11th, '06, 00:16

And updated video!

Much cooler methinks personally...

http://media.putfile.com/Untitled_0006-60

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Postby Mahoney » Jun 11th, '06, 01:05

Well I thought your first one was good anyway, but this one is just that little bit better. Your 'wipe off' action is very nice this time. :wink:


Paul Harris has a nice 'wipe off signature' routine in Art of Astonishment, if you're interested...

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 11th, '06, 01:10

Mahoney wrote:Well I thought your first one was good anyway, but this one is just that little bit better. Your 'wipe off' action is very nice this time. :wink:


Paul Harris has a nice 'wipe off signature' routine in Art of Astonishment, if you're interested...



Aww damn... was hoping it was fairly original lol

And thanks for the comments :D
To a layperson the original would be fine, however, we're not normal spectators here lol :lol:
So I threw together this new one :)

Glad you liked it!

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Postby Dominick » Jun 11th, '06, 04:36

Yes...

I seem to be the only person here who understood this effect! Nice job ecko...


I saw Ecko's and thought it was good. I was talking about the second one. There doesn't even look like a change has taken place.

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Postby DEATH » Jun 11th, '06, 17:05

DL needs work still.
could see the break badly (again)
always think about your angles
keep at it...

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Postby Pitto » Jun 11th, '06, 18:30

Few Things:

1 Whether or not that's original you came up with it on your own so nice one!

2 I don't think you need practice with a dl as in the real world it wouldn't be a problem

3 Your Thumb B**** needs work - try to hold the cards pointing towards the specs.

4 Patter isn't issue because essentially patter is perfromance and I no I can't "Perform" for just a camara there's no audinece to work with and feed off.

All in alll well done mate i like the effect! :D

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Postby EckoZero » Jun 11th, '06, 18:33

Pitto wrote:Few Things:

1 Whether or not that's original you came up with it on your own so nice one!

2 I don't think you need practice with a dl as in the real world it wouldn't be a problem

3 Your Thumb B**** needs work - try to hold the cards pointing towards the specs.

4 Patter isn't issue because essentially patter is perfromance and I no I can't "Perform" for just a camara there's no audinece to work with and feed off.

All in alll well done mate i like the effect! :D


1. Thank you :D
2. Newp... never been caught out with that one actually :D
3. Ah... well you see, normally I do, I keep the front squarely facing the audience at all times. However, it's not so easy to get a straight on view when recording on camera... I tried and tried and tried, but I just couldn't find the right spot for the duration of the trick :oops: In the real world it's not a problem at all though
4. Yeah this is true. Probably why my patter was full of "ums" and "errs" lol. Normally I'll just gauge the audience for reactions and feed off that :D

Thanks for the kind words dude :D

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Postby costas » Jun 13th, '06, 16:45

Good work Ecko!

Your signature wipe off was smooth. Your set up moves were undetectable. Your DL execution was convincing. The only remaining issue for me is that you have to watch your angles once your set has been achieved. I understand your comment about the camera making angles a little confusing, but I would say keep working at it until they are no longer that way; as we expect to see many great performance videos from you in the future.

A few tips that may help:
1) After you cut the deck and before you’re about to erase the signature from the selected card, position the pile of cards in your right hand slightly underneath and behind the pile in your left. This manoeuvre can look natural if you point to the signed card while you do this (I can’t explain in words how this should look but just try pointing to the signed card with the pointer on your right hand as you are trying to show the signed card’s face slightly angled towards the camera). Once you’re ready to do the signature wipe off, bring the pile in your right hand above the one in your left and go straight into the wipe off effect. This should hopefully fix the issue with your set-up position being detected.

2) To cover the set-up position of your DL, I would suggest that you keep the front of the deck slightly angled upwards. If it is in your interest to show the face of your card towards the camera at all times then I would suggest pointing to the card by placing your finger on top of it (if this still does not cover your set-up then I would suggest that in this position you press the vulnerable area down a little using your thumb as your pointing.

Anyway that’s enough of me. I just want to say: keep up the good work!

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Postby bitsnpieces » Jun 14th, '06, 10:38

That was very well done. I don't think I need to put in any tips as I think a lot of these guys already have, I haven't read yet really. LOL

But anyways, it's all a matter of angle sensitivity but seeing how it's on video, can't be helped I guess.

Anyways, keep up the good work. :)

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Postby Dragon Tan » Jun 15th, '06, 06:45

It's pretty basic and I don't think you should publish it in DVD since it does not employ any of your own sleights or effects. It is merely a routine using old sleights. Your handling needs a little smoother. And who says you can't hide your br*aks in a video? You just need to be a little more attentive. My 2 cents.

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Postby katrielalex » Jun 15th, '06, 10:14

:shock: It was good! Ignore the people saying the opposite. It would fool laypeople and that's what counts, no?

If you ever buy Smoke and Mirrors by John Bannon have a look at Tattoo You - it's an effect with a vaguely similar premise. In this case, a prediction is shown to be correct - except for one minor detail: the selection is signed and the prediction isn't. So the magicion pulls the signature onto the red-backed prediction. Great!

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