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by **Mandrake** » Sep 20th, '06, 15:21

stephenmagic wrote:Here come the cybermen

Clank, clank, clank..... :twisted:

by **Citrus** » Sep 20th, '06, 17:06

Cardza wrote:Barnabas, you read that he has sold fifty-eight and therefore that MUST mean that he has sold fifty-eight? Now I don't know if he has sold fifty-eight or not, and I think the only way any of us will know either way is when the reviews come in.

I don't think he has sold 58 becuse it has just stayed at 58 since this and a pervious thread about this leveation started.

But honestly Barnabas, come on :roll:

*Shakes Head*

o PS.

ow on the subject of "wires" as has been the greatest controversy.

1) I can tell you that from expirence as a video production specialist it would be very complicated to digitally remove wires from the footage given. I use After Effects for such methods. I plain English I can state that we would be more fooled by there not having been wires than if there was and they were digitaly taken out. Someone whould notice the inconsistencies in the video and be able to spot the place where said wires were "fixed".

2) Although I myself have never been in this situation I would think that I can make a valid statement. Correct me if I'm mistaken. WIRES ARE NOT INVISABLE. There is no such thing as invisable wires. Now please don't PM me on the subject of the Humming Bird card or other light wieght levitations. That is based around "THIN" wires. For any such wire to successfully support a 150 lb body it would need to be far more thick and sturdy. So thick that the naked eye from only four feet away would see it. Also consider the circumstance of Chris Angel, who has demonstated on his second Leviation episode that he can perform this anywhere. Wether is be in a park or in a hotel. It is very unlikely that a support hook is nailed to the side of a building (let alone air). Someone woulod instintively look up and see one if it was there.

3) We must also consider how the wires would react to the body ond clothes. Say for example alex was wired at the airpits (as would be a prime place for body support) he would show signs of pain on his face. Also as the wires try to become straight they would push and pull against his sleeves and shirt collar (whic evedently doesn't acure). So I hope its safe to know say that the leviation is based around the waist or torso.

In one of your quotes Barnabas you say there is no visible tugging of clothing from a wire, right. You can clearly see that a wire tugging up the back of his Tee Shirt at the end of the leveation outside by the wall :!:

So Barnabas if you come here, saying about how this is most likly real and saying things like wires cannot be used and such when you can clearly see evidence of wires, then i personaly take your word as worthless.

(Edited a bit by Mods to preserve the integrity and good nature of TM :wink:

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by **Mandrake** » Sep 20th, '06, 17:34

Oh dear, oh dear :roll:

! As mentioned above, the recent umpty-seven page long Magic Cafe thread was locked and eventually deleted due to acrimony and bitter argument. Can we keep to the idea of discussing the facts (if any) of the item/situation and avoid personal comments please?

by **Tomo** » Sep 20th, '06, 17:44

Hrumph, yes well. I think what this thread amply demonstrates is that belief is a very powerful master when it comes to wanting something to be true.

The fact of the matter is that this young lad has access to a harness and enough horsepower to throw him up a gable end and back in a particularly unconvincing way. His dad is possibly a props man. His dad is possibly the one with his hand on the lever. :wink:

If this is true, then I think the little tyke had the idea to market his own levitation after making the video, and hasn't supplied the long-promised extra footage because he no longer has access to the kit.

by **Renato** » Sep 20th, '06, 18:08

Cardza wrote:and I think the only way any of us will know either way is when the reviews come in.

Just wanted to clarify my point here. My recenty studying of philosophy and in particular epistomology has led me to look upon such things differently. I think it would be good to hold off fire as no-one KNOWS either way yet. 'Tis all just speculation and granted, things certainly don't look favourable. I definitely wouldn't buy it anyway. But the point is no-one here can say for sure either way.

It will be interesting reading the reviews and seeing how the rest of this tale unfolds, that's for sure.

by **MattVonFat** » Sep 20th, '06, 20:05

I just looked at his site and he has reviews from people on sites. Ellusionist is one. As that's a well known shop (well I don't know it but people on this forum mention it) wouldn't that suggest theres something to this? (Unless the reviews are fake of course)

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed but I have read the whole thread and can't remeber anyone asking about it.

by **David The Cryptic** » Sep 20th, '06, 20:11

MattVonFat wrote:I just looked at his site and he has reviews from people on sites. Ellusionist is one. As that's a well known shop (well I don't know it but people on this forum mention it) wouldn't that suggest theres something to this? (Unless the reviews are fake of course)

I'm sorry if this has already been discussed but I have read the whole thread and can't remeber anyone asking about it.

I dont think thats the store. I thinks its someones screen name.

since ellusionist kicked him and his posts off the site.

by **MattVonFat** » Sep 20th, '06, 20:17

Ah, I didn't realise they had a forum.

by **Citrus** » Sep 20th, '06, 20:22

Citrus wrote:
(Edited a bit by Mods to preserve the integrity and good nature of TM !)

Sorry I'm just haveing a bad day and was annoyed at how this Barnabas just dosen't use his eyes :roll:

by **Barnabas** » Sep 20th, '06, 22:37

"In one of your quotes Barnabas you say there is no visible tugging of clothing from a wire, right. You can clearly see that a wire tugging up the back of his Tee Shirt at the end of the leveation outside by the wall

So Barnabas if you come here, saying about how this is most likly real and saying things like wires cannot be used and such when you can clearly see evidence of wires, then i personaly take your word as worthless."

I know what your talking about, but I simply didn't want to assume that this was a wire. It could be anything involved with the gimick. Secret lever. Hidden Platform. Protruding buckle.

As with the 58. Nobody here has core evidence for or against this so its just as wrong to say that he hasn't sold this much. We just don't know. Hay maybe 58 junior magicains went out and bought this a soon as they saw it.

Anyway I can see your preturbed about the whole thing, so I probably shouldn't carry on in this discustion. Maybe we should just let it go. Mandrake feel free to delete this threaf as with the magic cafe. :wink:

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by **David The Cryptic** » Sep 20th, '06, 23:51

No this shouldnt be deleted. if anything just cleaned up and locked if anything. deleting it does no go. it should stay so people can make a wise decsision.

by **Misanthropy** » Sep 21st, '06, 00:18

What was that saying about flogging a dead horse? :lol:

We all know its a scam and whoever is actually interested in buying it would be very stupid indeed especially after all the warnings members here have given out. Theres nothing more anyone can say about the matter that hasn't been said already.

by **Mandrake** » Sep 21st, '06, 01:28

Barnabas wrote:"Mandrake feel free to delete this threaf as with the magic cafe.

Deletion would be the last resort after things had gone horribly wrong (as per the Cafe?) so we try to avoid threads going that far off the rail if possible. Locking is more usual on TM if things get too bad. As I mentioned elsewhere, all differing points of view are valid, that's why we're a Discussion as well as a Magic Forum. The main criteria is to keep it courteous and avoid personal barbs - difficult I know but worth doing to keep the threads live.

by **Delude** » Sep 27th, '06, 21:37

Oz Pearlman to me
More options 16:26 (5 hours ago)

Hi James,

I have heard of this effect, but have not seen it to date. Alex said that he would send one over. Once I check it out, I will post an honest review of what I think.

Regards,

Oz

by **David The Cryptic** » Oct 1st, '06, 05:22

Well he said he would have a new vid by the 29, that has passed.

and the decription of the lev has changed. Now it isnt angle proof, cant go as high as originally said, and some other changes.

I have also read, that it has offically been proven a fake, a knock off of the icarus i belief. either way its a con.

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