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Postby mark lewis » Sep 29th, '06, 03:39



I rather think the 26 year old numbered personage does not understand humour. Perhaps he needs to get a sense of it.

As for Tomo all I can say is that it ill behooves him to advise you all to ignore me when he cannot do it himself. He has sarcastically suggested that you are all very silly pressing the "post reply" button to make "ill conceived tirades" to me when he has plainly done so himself in the same breath as he advises you not to do so. If you observe his post carefully you will see the most "ill conceived tirade" in your life albeit somewhat pompously written.

I know perfectly well that Tomo cannot ignore me no matter how hard he tries. I rather think the poor chap requires hypnotherapy to cure him of whatever ails him. Nobody is forcing him to read what I say and yet he cannot stop himself.

I can assure him that far from ignoring me people are fascinated by my great wit and intellect. I promise him that far more people are attracted to my posts than his. I am always amused that people who seem irritated with me have ballooned egos. Tomo is obviously one of them. He is trying to impress you with how clever he is despite the fact that he hails from Cheshire where clever people are not in great abundance.

However I am the one who knows about hypnotism and he isn't. Therefore I am the one who should be listened to providing I deign to give information about it.

As for this rude Frenchman I am afraid I haven't time to reprimand him properly because tomorrow I shall be leaving town for a few days to attend to my congregation at a psychic fair. I collect many donations to my church there so naturally this will have to assume priority.

When I return I will have more to say and will attempt to guide the Essex youth to his first steps in stage hypnosis.

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Postby IAIN » Sep 29th, '06, 08:42

...any publicity is good publicity...

i mustard mitt i have found this post childishly funny...

Doris Stokes still owes my nan 6 shillings and sixpence for a lend of her merkin in '63...

i can't hypnotise, i can only suggest a little (but it does work) - i learnt in this order:

ed wollf (cards4magic.co.uk - £3 or so)
Kenton Knepper - Trance This (any site - £24 or so)
Luke Jermay - Building Blocks (any site - £28)

then in between, some Milton Erikson books by Bandler...

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Postby Charles Calthrop » Sep 29th, '06, 09:33

mark lewis wrote:Nice enough people except on the odd occasion when they would shoot someone out of irritation.


That's one of the funniest things I've read on a forum in a long time. I now have little bits of Shreddie all over my monitor. Thanks.

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Postby IAIN » Sep 29th, '06, 09:37

By the way, I too am an Essex urchin, and i often go to Romford Market just to laugh at one of the stalls there that sells 'alledged' signed boxing gloves by the Krays...

he also owns one of the Only Fools and Horses cars which he charges people a "lady godiver" (fiver) for them to pose next to it and have their photo taken...

its mesmerising, but in a different way...im astonished that anyone buys them, but they do sadly...

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Postby Jerome the French » Sep 29th, '06, 12:23

mark lewis wrote:I rather think the 26 year old numbered personage does not understand humour. Perhaps he needs to get a sense of it.

Is that me? If it is, well, my friend, I do have a sense of humour, but what I said earlier is called sarcasm. I thought you English people were great at sarcasm... What happened to ya Mark?

mark lewis wrote:As for this rude Frenchman I am afraid I haven't time to reprimand him properly because tomorrow I shall be leaving town for a few days to attend to my congregation at a psychic fair. I collect many donations to my church there so naturally this will have to assume priority.

Sounds more like a lack of "come back", than a psychic fair if you ask me!

te he he :wink:

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Postby Tomo » Sep 29th, '06, 12:27

Jerome the French wrote:
mark lewis wrote:As for this rude Frenchman I am afraid I haven't time to reprimand him properly because tomorrow I shall be leaving town for a few days to attend to my congregation at a psychic fair. I collect many donations to my church there so naturally this will have to assume priority.

Sounds more like a lack of "come back", than a psychic fair if you ask me!

te he he :wink:

You'll only make him think he's got some kind of reaction out of you by replying, you know...

EDIT: You can tell how badly he wants to get a reaction out of you by the number of attempts he makes. In his last outpouring, I got 4 whole paragraphs! I feel disturbingly wanted, as if a sinister uncle wants me to sit on his knee.

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Postby killerfroggy » Sep 29th, '06, 13:20

The only thing I want to say here is this: Whats wrong with heavy metal music Mr Lewis? :) theres a hypnotism computer program out there in cyberspace I downloaded it from a site but im not gonna tell ya what it is :) Its got some cool animations but its never hypnotised anyone I know of. It uses a voice rather like stephen hawking so im not sure if it could actually hypnotise you but the artwork is good.

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Postby ultimatecreate » Sep 29th, '06, 13:40

abraxus wrote:By the way, I too am an Essex urchin, and i often go to Romford Market just to laugh at one of the stalls there that sells 'alledged' signed boxing gloves by the Krays...

he also owns one of the Only Fools and Horses cars which he charges people a "lady godiver" (fiver) for them to pose next to it and have their photo taken...

its mesmerising, but in a different way...im astonished that anyone buys them, but they do sadly...


Nice to see some more essex urchins posting! No doubt we live rather close, and your story seems very typical of Romford although I think the place is an absolute DIVE.

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Postby IAIN » Sep 29th, '06, 13:54

im a quarter yank, a quarter essex, and half isle of wight...plenty of choice to hate there...

but born and bred in scummy Romford...thankfully the course of injections have iradicated most of it from my system...

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Postby mark lewis » Oct 2nd, '06, 05:37

I must inform the rather intellectually deprived young Frenchman that he is NOT the numbered person I am referring to. It is the numbered person who is attempting to ignore me that is the numbered person not the Gaul who has had the gaul to to address me with the utmost gaul without going through the proper channels.

Furthermore he has wrongly assumed that I belong to a class of humanity known as "English people". He is incorrect. I am not English. Still we all make mistakes. I rather think the young man's mother certainly made one.

I see Tomo is still trying to ignore me but can't quite manage it yet. He tells us that he is "disturbingly wanted". Incorrect. I suspect he is indeed disturbed but I certainly do not want him.

But to our first lesson in hypnotism. I have been contemplating the difficulty of the Essex child in establishing credibility and prestige on stage because of his age. I think the best way around the situation would be for him to open with a prelimary demonstration of magic or mentalism before continuing with the hypnosis. However it should be very strong material and it is essential that he does it very well indeed. By the time he has performed these masterpieces hopefully by then the audience will be so impressed that they will accept his hypnotism.

I think this will be the best way to get around the age problem. It is not the perfect solution but I believe it will be a great help nevertheless.

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Postby i1011i » Oct 2nd, '06, 08:59

Well Mr Lewis I do not exactly remember ignoring you, but maybe I ignored myself ignoring you so that is why I don't remember!

I agree with your last post. That would be one way to gain acceptance from the crowd. Another idea would be to do a short string of "surefire" hypnotic effects. Or maybe even a combination of the two. Knepper is a good source for this with "Trance This!", or "Twists and Trances". Though I haven't read the 2nd book yet, I have heard good things.

Also, Mr Lewis. I tried to find your $150 dollar hypnosis course. I only found your 2 books via your website. Where might I locate that, as well as your psychic course?

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Postby Tomo » Oct 2nd, '06, 10:05

mark lewis wrote:I see Tomo is still trying to ignore me but can't quite manage it yet. He tells us that he is "disturbingly wanted". Incorrect. I suspect he is indeed disturbed but I certainly do not want him.

Oh go on with you, Mark. You know that's a big fib as well as everyone else reading it. I above all others would be the greatest prize - if you could only get me to react angrily. Um, good luck with that.

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Postby mark lewis » Oct 2nd, '06, 14:11

I must inform this wretched Tomo person that he is indeed a prize. A prize twit. He keeps telling everyone to ignore me but he cannot ignore me himself. No doubt this is because of the magnetic pull I have upon him. I must urge him to demagnetize himself so I can continue to advise on hypnosis without being distracted. There are young people here who seek knowledge and he is disturbing the class.

Now I do not advertise either the hypnosis or psychic course on my website because it would not be fair on the original producer of the course
who stills sells it at a considerably higher price. However he does not mind if I sell a few privately to the people I yap to on the internet. The numbered person (and anyone else) will have to confront the fact that he will have to deal with the devil himself. He will have to gird up his loins and contact me privately either by private message on here or through my e-mail address which is on my website. I accept Paypal which seems to work very well. However for some reason a few people in the UK seem reluctant to use this method. If this is the case I can arrange alternative means of depriving everyone of their money.

Now one of the toughest problems with hypnosis is the rehearsal and practice of it. You have the problem of finding subjects to practice on and even then you don't know quite what is going to happen on stage. The results may be quite different from your practice sessions with individuals off stage.

I have always beleived that to be a stage hypnotist you have to have great nerve and the stage should be your second home. I don't think it is a good idea for anyone to become a stage hypnotist unless they are very used to appearing in public. I believe that a good magician who is used to being on stage has more chance of success than a brilliant hypnotherapist who has never appeared in public in his life.

I did not have good success practicing with individuals off stage and my advice is don't bother despite what the books say. Even the revered Ormond Mc'Gill stated that you should practice for ages with individuals off stage before attempting stage work. I found that didn't work for me so I advise a different approach which other stage hypnotists may tut tut over but I don't give a stuff because I am MARK LEWIS and they are not.

I suggest practicing to the tables and chairs at home! You don't need individual subjects to practice on just yet. Simply assume that the people will do all the crazy stuff you want them to. Make sure though that you GET YOUR PATTER RIGHT though. This is VITAL!

REHEARSE, REHEARSE AND REHEARSE until it drives you crazy. Once you are thoroughly sick of the rehearsal with invisible people then comes the big step. You have to find an audience somehow to try out all this experimentation. I suggest you do not find a paid gig unless you have more nerve than I do. The good news is that it is far easier to hypnotise people on stage than it is one to one for reasons I have no energy to explain right now.

You will have to find some sort of venue where you can try it out. Perhaps a charity show of some kind or offer a free demonstration to an organisation. However on no account should the audience know you are a beginner. If they do you will not have a successful show and nobody will go into "trance".

This tactic will take a bit of nerve but if you don't have balls of steel you shouldn't attempt stage hypnosis in the first place. This is not an art for the timid. As I said the more experience you have on stage the more likely it is you will succeed.

Your first show may go great or it may die a death. The chances are 50/50 either way in my opinion. So you will have to do it again. And again. And again.

My first show worked great. However the next 8 or 9 were somewhat wishy washy. So you have to persist and not give up. This is where the men will be separated from the boys. If you give up prematurely all the months of practice will have gone to waste so you have to persist no matter how badly the show goes over.

Your main difficulty will be to find suitable venues to practice in. Eventually you are going to need live audiences. I was lucky that I was able to do it at psychic fairs where psychics are allowed lecture time to promote their readings. The psychics don't get paid for this so at least I wasn't under too much pressure. If it worked then great-if it didn't then no big deal.

I wish you luck with it. The UK is not an easy place to do hyposis at this time from what I hear because of bad newspaper publicity in the past but I am sure it will eventually recover. Perhaps by the time you have gotten around to learning it the tide will have turned.

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Postby mark lewis » Oct 2nd, '06, 14:15

I appear to have posted the same thing twice. I cannot figure out how to delete it so this will have to do.

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Postby Tomo » Oct 2nd, '06, 14:23

mark lewis wrote:There are young people here who seek knowledge and he is disturbing the class.

Oh, we both know they've already had all the conflicting advice they can handle, but I'm very impressed you think I'm a bad influence on young minds. It must be 25 years since I was last called that, and it's definitely the nicest thing you've ever said to me. Mind you, when the phrase last appeared (in somoene else's school report!) I was using my nacient pschological skills to talk my school friends into things like shoplifting sweets and mucky mags for me...

I really must dig out J.A.C Brown's "Techniques of Persuasion" again.


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