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Well, I have decided that it's probably a good time to introduce myself here. It seems people from my forum have felt a little attacked here, but it's just that rules are different.

As I see it, this forum could provide some good conversation material and it would be kind of nice to get to know this community better. Besides, there's never really any need to avoid someone simply because views differ.

Anyway, on a more personal note, I've been doing magic for about 7 years with cards, and more recently 2 years with various props on a more professional level, although there's still quite a bit of room for improvement.

Hopefully I'll be welcomed here, but even if not, I'm content to know I tried.

Hi Mint and welcome

People of differing views are what make life interesting, as long as those views can be expressed without hurling insults then we have a discussion, and thats how we move forward ( believe me being from N. Ireland I know all about discussions turning into arguments and no-one getting anywhere )

Anyway as long as the rules aren't broken here, welcome one welcome all. I'm sure some members here have other lives and intersts that we would all not agree with.

I myself am a lumberjack who likes to wear womens clothing

StevieJ wrote:I'm sure some members here have other lives and intersts that we would all not agree with.

I myself am a lumberjack who likes to wear womens clothing

.... nice to know I'm not alone - oops I mean errmm .... damn it

Anyway, Hi Mint and welcome to TM

Hey, Welcome to TM

Mint wrote:It seems people from my forum have felt a little attacked here, but it's just that rules are different...

Hello Mint and welcome to TM!
As long as you don't violate the rules here and as long as you don't reveal magic, you should be fine. Check this out
Best greetings from Iceland!

Well, that was an interesting three pages I read through but couldn't add in my two cents. Still, let's look at it this way. We have 3 categories of hecklers. I Happen to fall into the first category, but I restrain myself so as to not be a heckler.

1 The teacher: this guy likes to expose tricks, not because hes being mean, but because he likes to teach and ignores the great disservice he's doing to people.

2 The $%&@#: many subcategories, but basically does it to try and prove that he's smarter, or better than you in some way shape or form.

3 The Lamer: these guys aren't hecklers, but they reveal tricks, and they are the class I am most interested in.

The Lamer class goes about with a poor performance which ends up exposing tricks. Now there's something I'll mention later about this, but for now I would like to discuss the implications of letting him go untaught. Now obviously he probably learned what he knew through some place online, and chances are he never got the support of fellow magicians and thus performed badly.

Now this class aids in the development of the second class which is personally my most hated class to deal with. However, the second class is also looking for the sites that the third class uses to get their information. At this point, we have a dilema. Close down all the magic sites, and the third class will never develop and thus continue to expose, however, leave them open and the second class will thrive.

Although MH is not 100% effective at blocking out all of those 2nd class people, we don't run accross them often, and we tend to get magicians seeking to develop their skills and third class hecklers seeking to not be lame.

Now, What happens if we completely shut down magic sites that expose tricks? Well, you get 2 new problems. You get more of class 3, and you also get class 1's that will intentionally perform bad to expose a trick so as to still teach it.

Still, then one always says, just close off all the bad performances. Ah, now it's all about opinion, we don't have absolute proof. What qualifies as exposure? What a magician's eye might catch, a laymen's eye might not. Does the performance have to be 100% perfect?

However, I don't think we'll ever reach this point, because I don't think there will ever become a complete closure of magic sites. However, if a site is going to reveal tricks, it may aws well take precautions and have loops that few laymen will want to jump through, but true magician's will have no troubles with.

Welcome to TM.