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hey guys and gals, first of all i have extreme begginers, which i have learnt some stunts from but a get a bid fed up with it as there are no talked through explanations, you nbasically have to watch the stunt in slow motion!
does anyone recommend any other dvds for xcm.
is show off with cards any good?

andy

everyone will tell you not to buy showoff with cards and claim that's it's badly taught or something. but the fact of it is that you will learn how to do your sybil cuts and whatnot.
that said, you could do better by buying Tudors Showoff (did i just reccommend buying a tudor product?)

OR, click the search button

Jeff Mcbride has some excellent material out I believe called , Extreme card manipulation that teaches you the basics to well.....Extreme card manipulation for stage and close up...

does he? never saw jeff as an XCM person really. but if you wanna learn productions and split fans and all that jazz then watch his stuff

If you want to learn the bog standard XCM really nothing fancy.

Back to basics volume 1 & 2 - Caps Casino

For more Jazy type stuff Xtreme Beginers has a wealth of stuff

Show off with Cards some people dont like it but I do and has loads of stuff on it.

Bit more advanced is X-treme cuts.

Really advanced

Cradle to the grave , The Corbra Collection both by De'vo

The System - The Buck Twins

Get Brian Tudors showoff and make that the ONLY Tudor product you EVER buy, the rest are really bad. Learn the one handed revolution and the sybil variations ( what the hell happened to Sybil )

Then get the system and fly with it. Just be prepared to rewind and play over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again!!!

been playing with xtreme beginners today, i just can't do the doulble charlier cut, my hands are very small!
people say this doesn't matter but i totally disagree, for people who know the thumb rest on the top of the deck to hold it in place but my thumb hardly comes to halfway up! tried with smaller cards but same problem!!!!

russellmagic wrote:been playing with xtreme beginners today, i just can't do the doulble charlier cut, my hands are very small!
people say this doesn't matter but i totally disagree, for people who know the thumb rest on the top of the deck to hold it in place but my thumb hardly comes to halfway up! tried with smaller cards but same problem!!!!

I have the same problem with the double charlier cut and one handed shuffle, my hands are too small, I was thinking about getting some bridge sized cards to see if they help, I have Xtreme Biginerz and was not as impressed as I hoped to be, I would have liked to see a nice full speed routine done by De'vo, Jeff, or Daryl, but there you go! nothing is as it seems on the web site.

i have tried and failed with the bridge cards dammit!!!! xtreme beginners is good but tough and beginners should not be in the titile!

Ya Big hands are just as much of a problems in manipulation...

I can't do a double charlier neither. But I tried using bridge size cards and they just don't feel right at all. The dimensions aren't right. If they're smaller along the width, then they should be smaller along the length.
Poker size are perfect. Who wants to do a double charlier anyway. Revolutions and such are still possible though, and one handed shuffles are just possible.

agreed, brian tudor's showoff utilizes some great handlings and teaches some xtreme false shuffles. This is the good stuff!

It does, but it's taught really badly. Be prepared for numerous rewinds and frame by frame viewing.
He shows up to the actual move slowly, finger positions and such, and then just sort of "does the move"
Very poor teaching in my opinion. All one angle as well. The wrong angle.

I havn't bought any extreme card manipulation dvds yet, but i plan on it. I've been sitting back, reading forums and reviews for a week now, trying to get a general concensus of what's "good" and what "sucks". From what I've watched, Tudor is amazing. I read the same comments on his lack of teaching skills, and how his "tricks" are too fast for the spectators to catch on. Which, in my opinion, is untrue. I was dumbfounded by his effects. Sure, he could've slowed them down, and if I knew the routines, I would for an audience (add patter etc.) but that's HIS style. not yours.
But if you want to learn, really want to study, then what's wrong with rewinding. Rewinding. Rewinding. Using your brain and trial n' error?
Fancy moves are great to watch, but if you're not using them to create a story/effect....what's the point?
"look what i can do!"
"Your card is on top correct? *flip flip flip ninja flip hustle hide flip
Behold! Your card is still on top and i have not changed the order of the deck.
"Wow......okay then....."
So I've come to the conclusion, buy everything. Discover for yourself. THEN become rich. How you ask? Learn the moves and create your own instructional video without all that damn techno music...dear god, every youtube video has some horrible song playing in the background while someone is flipping cards around. And explain it as if you were teaching your grandmother. hell, put your grandmother in the video. What a marketing ploy, "Sh**, if my grandma can learn it, you can TOO!"
-->insert bank account here<--
but i'll have to wait and see really, like i said, i havn't watched these yet so this reply is pretty pointless

After extreme beginners I would recommend Showoff by Brian Tudor like some other people have suggested. I also own Showoff with cards and it is actually pretty good. You learn a lot of material from just one DVD, but I think about 2 moves are taught wrong, one being the one hand revolution, which is why I would also get showoff if you get this. (cant remember the other).