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by **Lord Freddie** » Apr 5th, '07, 20:41

Wonder if some one can help me.
Where, if at all, is the Elmsley count in the Tarbell course?
I would like to read Tarbells description if there is one.

I am thinking the man most likely to able to help on here is Allan Tipton...

by **saxmad** » Apr 5th, '07, 22:19

Doubt it.
Tarbell is way too early for Elmsley Count, surely?

by **Lord Freddie** » Apr 5th, '07, 22:24

I think you're right there mate. Just wondering.

by **the_mog** » Apr 5th, '07, 23:03

you could always get it from the horses mouth so to speak and read "the collected works of Alex Elmsley" Vol 1

by **Mandrake** » Apr 6th, '07, 10:09

The EC was a 1970's development so won't be in any sources such as Tarbell or RRTCM but may be in later revised printings of 'old' magic books. A bit of Googling should show a few possible places to try.

by **Wills** » Apr 6th, '07, 10:19

Did it used to be called the ghost count by any chance? Maybe that would widen the search?

by **Lord Freddie** » Apr 6th, '07, 10:46

the_mog wrote:you could always get it from the horses mouth so to speak and read "the collected works of Alex Elmsley" Vol 1

Thanks. I will check this out.

I have looked through Tarbell for false counts (I've on got vol 1-6) and can't find any. Maybe they were none in those days!

by **Mandrake** » Apr 6th, '07, 10:54

Wills wrote:Did it used to be called the ghost count by any chance?

Indeed it did!

by **IanKendall** » Apr 6th, '07, 12:44

The Ghost Count is from the sixties I believe, or perhaps even the fifties.

Take care, Ian

by **Lord Freddie** » Apr 6th, '07, 16:09

Is the ghost count practically the same then?
All way after Tarbell, I wondered if it was in the later vol 7 & 8 which I don't have.

by **IanKendall** » Apr 6th, '07, 16:27

The count was never called the Elmsley Count - it was always the Ghost Count, and was published in the manuscript Elmsley's Four Card Trick. Over time it became known as the Elmsley Count.

If you want to get _really_ geeky, you could call it Alex Elmsley's Ghost Count (as I do on my tutorial for it...)

Take care, Ian

by **Tenko** » Apr 6th, '07, 22:37

Emsley called it the Ghost Count. As far as I know, it generally became known as the Emsley Count after his death.

Lord Freddie, PM me.

by **IanKendall** » Apr 6th, '07, 23:50

Elmsley only died last year - it's been the Elmsley count since the seventies at least.

Interestingly, in converstation he only referred to it as 'the count'.

Take care, Ian

by **Tenko** » Apr 7th, '07, 11:18

Having consulted a frield of mine, I am informed that it originally appeared in a Ganson book in the early 60's and was initially called 'Counting 4 as 4'

by **swamy** » Apr 10th, '07, 12:46

I would like to add a piece of information, that Elmsley count using dealers grip was actually invented by John Fedko under the name "Fedko's Finasse" in early 1970's. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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