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Postby Relish » Sep 17th, '08, 17:56



Sorry!, still too much of a noob to notice an old post

(and too lazy to read the date)

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Postby Lenoir » Sep 17th, '08, 17:59

Relish wrote:Sorry!, still too much of a noob to notice an old post

(and too lazy to read the date)



:lol:

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Postby Jason Palter » Oct 20th, '08, 05:04

Hello all:

I'm doing my rounds on some forums tonight, I was just directed to this thread and wanted to chime in. Thank you for the kind comments everyone on my "Third Degree Burn"! I wanted to address some of the concerns, and questions that have been raised:

First I did want to mention that I do credit Jack Tillar (and some others who have done similar blister/impression tricks----including the creator of Pyro Perceptions) in the instructions for the trick.

Anyhow, if you want, you most certainly can do a force of any card and use the "Third Degree Burn" gimmick to reveal that force as a blister......but why JUST do that and use a force?! lol

The real strength and purpose of "Third Degree Burn" is in that it is SO versatile----it is the ONLY one on the market that allows you to have ANY CARD named blistered on your fingers! No force, no pumping.....NOTHING! You therefore don't even have to use a deck of cards!

You can even use it as an "out".......Just carry the gimmick around with you and if you forget the card that you've forced during your card routine---then just turn the tables and use "Third Degree Burn" as your "out" and have the card blistered to your fingers! Magic! lol

There is a slight amount of work that has to be done in your pocket, but once you learn the "system" it really is minimal and I have never been busted on it!

"Third Degree Burn" is designed for hobbyists, amateurs and pros as well. The work that that has to be done to learn the "system" is not difficult at all. The typical amount of time is about 15 minutes to actually learn the "system". I liken the learning process to "The ID". If you're familiar with that trick, you'll know that it takes about 15 minutes to learn the "system", but once you've learned it, every time you do the trick it becomes easier and easier (and Third Degree Burn is the same). "Third Degree Burn" comes with a very detailed instructional booklet that also has tons of routines and ideas, and a very detailed instructional DVD. If you had the gimmick in your hand and we were talking on the phone, I could teach you to use it in about 3 minutes. So anyhow, you've really got to devote the 15 minutes to it, but I'm quite sure that once you get the hang of it, you'll be carrying the gimmick around with you EVERYWHERE.

In terms of the WORK during the actual routine.....Well, from the moment that I know the spectator's card, I have done the dirty work and am ready for the climax within only 15-20 seconds! It's that fast! During this time I am talking a little bit, asking if there is anything I did or said that made them think of this card, confirming that it was their free choice, etc. The spectator would have no reason to suspect anything during this, because the words that I am saying are quite natural and are things you would normally ask someone. However, if you want to use the full worded presentation that is supplied, it gives you PLENTY of time to do the dirty work while you are talking---so no worries there.

I must point out another advantage of "Third Degree Burn" is that you do NOT need to use a deck of cards. You can if you want, but again, the real strength is: ANY CARD, ANYTIME. So just grab the gimmick and put it in your pocket, and you're ready to go! That's it. No fuss.

I also wanted to respond to the question/comment regarding pocket space and what some people refer to as "pocket pool" (hey guys, I thought this was a family show! LOL!). The gimmick was designed in such a way so as to accommodate people who have different sized paws, if you catch my drift. One of the people that I was testing all of my prototypes on had very large hands, so as a result, I had to make sure the gimmick was large enough that he could use it effectively. My hands are not huge, so I also obviously don’t have a problem doing the trick, and neither does he with his large hands. If I made the gimmick any smaller, then I would certainly be neglecting a (possibly) large portion of the magic community who were blessed---or cursed!---with larger hands. With this in mind, I think that most of you will understand why it was designed the way that it was.

So I know that most of you want to know if you can walk around with this gimmick in your pocket (jeans, trousers, etc.), and carry on with your daily life as though it is (almost!) not there. The answer is ABSOLUTELY YES. The gimmick is VERY, VERY light weight, and the size fits nicely in your jacket or pants pocket.

If I'm performing walkaround magic, I can comfortably carry “Third Degree Burn”, plus a couple of sponge balls, 2 “Hot Rods”, some coins and a die (dice) in the same pocket, and STILL be able to perform the "Third Degree Burn" effect flawlessly. As I advertise: Anytime, anywhere, always ready to go, and you can carry it with you all the time.

Finally, I must stress that there are routines included that DO NOT require the use of fire. I know that these were important to develop, because I want minors (and/or performers who find themselves in the situation where NOBODY happens to have a lighter on them) to still be able to do the trick. So for those of you "non-fire" people, you can still do Third Degree Burn with no problems at all!

Anyhow, I hope that helps, and if you have any other questions please let me know. Thank you for your time.

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Postby KingJeux. » Oct 20th, '08, 06:42

This is really good, although I must say that I haven't used it do to pocket restraints. I wear reasonably well fit jeans and I don't feel I could use this trick without being called on it. If I were to wear a jacket there would be less of an issue for sure. My thoughts on this topic are that it is very good to be able to have them name any card and then form a blister, but in their mind it would be the same effect if you forced a card on them well enough. In the end they wouldn't realize a difference between naming a card and/or "picking" a card from the deck. The gimmick is about as small as it could be, but given the range of motion required I haven't ended up using it =(

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Postby Jason Palter » Oct 20th, '08, 22:30

Hello all:

There is one other thing that I wanted to mention in regards to the pocket stuff and how I sort of "cover/misdirect" while performing the trick:

To tell you the truth, I always approach the group/spectator knowing what I am going to do first. So if I know that I'm going to open with a coin trick followed by a card trick, then I'm not so concerned with having my hands in my pockets. But if I know I will open with TDB (Third Degree Burn) or that it will be my second trick, then I actually may have my hands in my pockets at the beginning when I approach them. While I'm talking to them, I actually have my hands going in and out of my pockets (casually) while I'm talking to them. What I'm doing is being as casual as possible, but also setting up in their mind that my hands are visible and are not visible. I want them to be able to think back and remember that my hands were both in AND out of my pockets, and that I was acting fairly "normal". When I ask them the name of their card for TDB, then my right hand (gimmick in the right pocket) will be in the pocket at that point. I may also put my left hand in my pocket too----I'm just being really casual with them. Once I have the impression on my finger and thumb, I again may bring my hand(s) in and out of my pocket(s)----and then ask them for the lighter. If they don't have one (I keep mine in my left pocket), here is a nice subtlety: I actually put both hands into BOTH pockets and say, "Uhm...wait, I have one here somewhere....Ah here it is!". I then pull it out of my left pocket as my right hand also comes out of its pocket too. Again, I want them to remember that my hands were in and out of BOTH pockets, and I was acting fairly "normal". That way they can't necessarily trace back and remember that I only had my hand in there once, took it out, and then the blisters appeared if you catch my drift. I of course stall a little by asking them various questions (as per the instructions). The more comfortable you are with the gimmick, the faster that you will get the impressions.

I hope that helps a little; please let me know if you have any other questions. Thank you for your time.

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