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Postby spudgun » Nov 30th, '08, 16:11



Marvell wrote:
spudgun wrote:yes this is where i think you get into sticky teritory. if you take away someones headache and he has a sub-arachnoid haemmorhage because he didny go to the doctor, then the hypnotist has effectively killed the person because they didnt seek medical attention, because they were asymptomatic. So i wouldnt go taking away headaches.........(im still evious of your powers tho :( ) but with great powers come great responibility 8)


That really is very worse case scenario. Paracetamol will take away a headache, even if it's a placebo effect. Not really much different, I'd say.



agreed.....but why take the chance :?

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Dec 3rd, '08, 01:44

Today, I had my first really successful hypnosis subject. For a few weeks now, my girlfriend has been my semi-successful subject, but only catalepsy worked on her. Other people in my classes reached the same level of receptiveness.

Today, during lunch, I successfully got someone to raise their arm, lock their eyes, and forget the letter E. Later, after school, I re-hypnotized him and had him forget the number 8 and made myself invisible. Unfortunately, he was able to see me once I tapped his shoulder... :? To end, I helped ease a sore back he had, then did a proper wake up.


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One of the people watching us wanted to get hypnotized for some reason, but seemed a bit negative about it. None of my "feel better now" suggestions seemed to work, and his catalepsy was only semi-successful. After I woke him up, he asked me what I knew about Aura reading. It turns out that a friend of his said he didn't have a visible aura, and he seemed almost traumatized by the fact. I told him the truth that hypnosis has almost nothing to do with aura reading, so my opinion is worthless.

I'm really not sure what to make of his situation...

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Postby Beardy » Dec 3rd, '08, 13:34

tell him aura is a load of c*** (not the best)? That's what I would have done...

either that or use your knowledge of aura being a load of rubbish, and tell him that his aura is visible, and un-traumatise him!

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Postby Jacquin » Dec 3rd, '08, 13:39

HI Sleightlycrazy,

glad to hear you are making progress.

Achieving amnesia with a subject is a real milestone. It does not guarantee that all other phenomena will follow as you have seen however it does seem to make it much more likely.

With regard to your question about what to do about the 'aura' question. I think you are in a similar position as those who take a mentalist at their word. I think you handled it fine. Just because you do mysterious things does not mean you have to be all knowledgable about all things. Just set the guys mind at rest and send him on his way.

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Dec 12th, '08, 07:28

Today, I locked a friend's eyes shut and made him believe that the glasses in his pocket (his) were mine. He handed them to me and looked a bit confused, even after I handed it back to him. Hypnotized him and told him he was holding his own glasses, and he was back to normal.

I asked him about it later, and his response fit Jacquin's description of a hypnotized person's thought process- he questioned what was going on while presupposing the reality I defined. He said he was wondering why he had my glasses in his pocket ( I don't even wear glasses... :lol: ).

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Postby Jacquin » Dec 12th, '08, 07:48

:lol: Your first steal :lol:

I am so proud.

Well done for sticking with it.

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Postby smoked salmon » Dec 12th, '08, 09:24

This book is definately on my wish list, after reading this thread!

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Postby Chris » Dec 12th, '08, 10:19

I had a great performance yesterday eve.I had 15 people doing a few convincers etc, and the narrowed it down to two people and then one bloke...Did a very nice handshake induction, and he was out like a light....It was the first time I felt very confident performing it and actually felt like a hypnotist not someone pretending to be...again thanks Anthony.

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Postby Farlsborough » Dec 12th, '08, 13:22

Beardy, best leave the headaches alone. True, your every day tension-type headache might actually benefit from hypnotism (which I see as just a style of placebo/relaxation) and there's no problems there, but there are different sorts of headaches.

Stop someone with temporal arteritis from seeing a doctor - even if you did successfully take away their pain - and they won't thank you when they go blind :?

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Postby Strep » Dec 12th, '08, 15:52

I ordered this yesterday afternoon and it turned up today! Did Anthony know I was gonna buy it so sent it a few days ago?

I've had some good waking hypnosis results with Ormond McGill's New Encyclopedia of Stage Hypnotism so am eager to read/test this book.

I've got our works christmas do in a week so will report back after that.

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Dec 14th, '08, 00:36

Today, I was semi-successful with a couple people in my instrument section. I had a freshman's eye's lock for a few seconds and got catalepsy, but not much else.

Then, on the bus, P, a freshman from another instrument section, gave results I didn't think I could get yet.

I used the magnetic palms set piece and followed with a simple induction I found works well for me. I have a black dot on the tip of my index finger (sharpie) and use it as a eye fixation. Seems to be less ambiguous as "tip of my finger" or "line on your hand". I used some basic linkage and eye movement deepeners, then used the reinduction post hypnotic suggestion. I deepened his state by getting him to go in and out of hypnosis about 4926 times.

I gave him the arm levitation suggestion and locked his hands once it got to a decent height. I linked the super-suggestion to his arm going back down to his lap. I raised his arm and reiterated this. I then intensified the posthypnotic suggestion of my induction working in the future. I then tried to lock his eyes.

His eyes didn't stay locked shut (I need to restudy that suggestion- it didn't work once today) so I re-induced him and reiterated the super-suggestion. Following the super-suggestion, I got him to forget the letter E. It was successful enough that he skipped the letter in words I had him spell. Elated by the new success, I reiterated the super-suggestion and tried a ballsy one. I told him that one of my friends was his girlfriend. He reacted very well to this and seemed confused as to how his girlfriend (who he knew couldn't be on the bus) was on the bus. I canceled the suggestion and gave him amnesia for the whole thing.

He seemed confused as to why he was sitting in a different place and asked if I would hypnotize him. Apparently, he forgot the hypnosis, but his friends told him of a couple of the things that happened, but left out the part of my making his girlfriend appear.

About twenty minutes later, I randomly re-induced him and made him think one of my skeptical friend's friend was his girlfriend. After canceling and erasing the whole thing, I went on as if nothing happened. My skeptical friend questioned him after I left, but couldn't get anything hinting at faking from him. That said, I'm still insure.

When people are hypnotized, do they seem slightly odd, as if they might be acting? He seemed consistent in his beliefs, and I think some of the phenomena may have been a success, but the amnesia and hallucinations feels like he may have been faking.

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Postby Beardy » Dec 14th, '08, 01:43

Personally, I always make sure they remember everything afterwards, the last thing you want is people mentioning it and taking the mike when they have no memory.

With regards to "faking it", after talking to some participants after I put on a "mini-show" I found that when successful they don;t fake it. They explain that in their mind they are 100% aware of what they are doing...but they just follow your suggestions without second thought. I'm guessing that that is all hypnosis is - them following exactly what you say, without conscious awareness, but whilst being 100% conscious the entire time.

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Postby Tomo » Dec 14th, '08, 20:21

I had a bit of fun yesterday afternoon. I was in the pub (naturally) with some friends and the conversation turned to the idea of psychological influence. They wanted to see something, but I had to leave to go to a dinner party. So, I asked one of them to simply "go along" with what I was about to do and not to be afraid. I did the standard "magnetic hands" piece from the video pretty much using the original wording. Just as his hands touched, I pulled his head forwards and basically held it there, commanding him deeper and deeper. I wasn't after hypnosis, just the look on the others' faces. After a few moments, I said, in pure Kenny Craig style, "3, 2. 1 You're back in the room!" and let go. He raised his head with his hands still touching and simply said, "How did you do that?" meaning his hands, whereas the others thought he mean how did I get him into a trance. Priceless! :lol:

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Postby Chris » Dec 15th, '08, 12:24

Its awesome to see this is actually working for people, and not just a few of us....I had 7 people saturday night, doing all sorts at a party, its a bit addictive :twisted:

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yeeeeeeehaaaaaaaaaaaaa :lol:

You must excuse my random gurning apperance, thats my bad angle

Ah forgot to add- that lovely lady to my right is Mrs Magic Chris :D I was pleased cos it was the first time she had witnessed me hypnotise someone...

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Postby Jacquin » Dec 15th, '08, 13:45

Nice to hear you have the hypno bug Chris. Trust me once picked up it is very difficult to shake off.

Tomo - I enjoyed your story, kind of instant dual reality. That said if you had intended to hypnotise him and thrown a few suggestions at him they would very likely have taken. The Little Britain induction and wake up is as good as any other. It is saying it with a straight face that is tough.

Sleightly you have asked another good question. Sometimes peoples responses when zapped do look a bit hammed up. There is nothing in your anecdote that suggests to me the person was acting. Why would they continue with the act afterwards - seems pointless.

Turning your friend into his girlfriend is a funny idea. Be careful though. My friend and business partner turned a homophobic colleague into a very camp and gay man a while back and made his other colleague the object of his affections. In the end the person on the receiving end of it had to leave.

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