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Postby MasterCyde » Dec 23rd, '08, 18:07



Michael Kras wrote:I have a problem... I tried the Eye to Hand Fixation induction on my sister... I couldn't get past her "staring at one spot on her palm". Every time I tried to "gauge" her, her arm simply wouldn't stiffen. I worked on it for a good 30 seconds delivering the script with extreme confidence and really trying to get her to focus but her arm was still heavy. What could be the problem?


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Postby Michael Kras » Dec 23rd, '08, 18:14

I did read that, but decided to give it a go anyways.... that kind of leaves me in a sticky situation!!! How do I practice if my "guinea pigs" are unlikely to effectively work?

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Postby Mandrake » Dec 23rd, '08, 18:40

One of the basic requirements is that you have to believe you are the all-powerful Hypnotist and any thoughts of not succeeding should be dismissed from your mind. If you think it will work then it probably will. If you think it won't work then it most certainly won't.

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Dec 23rd, '08, 19:53

You used some of Luke Jermay's work before, right? Put yourself in a similar state of mind and go for it.

You'll make your job a lot easier by putting yourself in a situation where people want you to hypnotize them. Hint at the idea that you are hypnotizing people (possibly while doing some magic, so people accept that you can do weird things) then wait for requests. Of course, you can still offer to hypnotize people... :wink:

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Postby Strep » Dec 24th, '08, 00:51

Michael Kras wrote:I have a problem... I tried the Eye to Hand Fixation induction on my sister... I couldn't get past her "staring at one spot on her palm". Every time I tried to "gauge" her, her arm simply wouldn't stiffen. I worked on it for a good 30 seconds delivering the script with extreme confidence and really trying to get her to focus but her arm was still heavy. What could be the problem?


Did you get her arm to stick in the set piece? So far I've used the set piece as the induction and when their arm is stiff and their eyes are closed (I don't ask them to open their eyes after magnetic hands) I push their arm down and their head forward and order them to sleep. They don't expect the arm to be pushed down (see how the woman reacts on the dvd) so that kind of shocks them into hypnosis and pushing their head down further disorientates them. After a little deepening I then wake them and do the handshake to put them back in. This combo has worked well for me so far.

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Postby Michael Kras » Dec 24th, '08, 01:06

Are you supposed to be speaking through the entire Set Piece for it to be effective... as in, is the "spell" broken when you stop dictating momentarily?

So, if I did the Stiff Arm, would I have to be speaking the script the entire time or could I be silent and have the effect still heavy on my spectator. How long should that procedure be carried out before you can perform an instant induction via that particular set piece? Should their eyes be closed?

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Postby Michael Kras » Dec 24th, '08, 04:13

I tried the Stiff Arm Set Piece induction on my mom... the first part worked splendidly, she was very responsive. Then I tried the induction part and instead of going deeper, she completely snapped out of it. I might not have been commanding enough in my "sleep" command, but if that isn't the case, what could be?

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Postby kems » Dec 24th, '08, 11:02

Michael Kras wrote:I tried the Stiff Arm Set Piece induction on my mom... the first part worked splendidly, she was very responsive. Then I tried the induction part and instead of going deeper, she completely snapped out of it. I might not have been commanding enough in my "sleep" command, but if that isn't the case, what could be?


I haven't put anything into practice yet so cannot help there, but did you get the cd with the videos on? if you watch that i am sure it will help you out.

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Postby Jordan C » Dec 24th, '08, 13:01

Wow... it's taken me the best part of an hour to read through this thread and associated links. I am amazed at so much positivity but yet I am also dismayed that I cannot get the book AND dvd for 25 quid as originally priced.

Now I know I want this book and I also want the dvd so Anthony, kind sir, in this season of goodwill to all men could you PM or email me a price for the combo please and also remember me so I get the magi's notes!! You are feeling very generous, the alcohol has gone to your head and you want to make Jordan very happy... when I say wide awake you will PM me... 1,2 WIDE AWAKE!!!

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Postby Jacquin » Dec 24th, '08, 14:41

Christmas PM awaits you.

All the best. Tis the season of don't ask, don't get after all :)

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Postby Jacquin » Dec 24th, '08, 15:01

Michael Kras wrote:I did read that, but decided to give it a go anyways.... that kind of leaves me in a sticky situation!!! How do I practice if my "guinea pigs" are unlikely to effectively work?


Hi Mike,

ust stay with it. Practice on them and anyone else who will listen to you. Eventually you will get one and then it all starts to happen. Concentrate on doing the set up and set piece well. Give your subject credit.

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Postby Beardy » Dec 24th, '08, 19:41

the fact that you are young won't help. I went to uni telling people that I started hypnosis at 14 and have been doing it for 4-5 years. That instills confidence in you. That's also the reason old friends and family won't work. In your case, it may unfortunately be the age that is holding you back michael, and your participants may not be able to see someone at 14 as "the hypnotist". Now go out there and prove me wrong. No two participants respond the same, so what works on one will not work on everybody else. If one doesn't work, try another! That's what I do! Good luck!

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Postby Jordan C » Dec 24th, '08, 20:04

Well within an hour of my post on here Anthony had sent me 3 messages (forum reply, PM and Email) and the purchase was completed and my book packaged then reopened and signed and repackaged!!

I am so looking forwards to this as it is not often I read a 34 page pdf in one sitting so I feel this book is going to be read in one sitting then studied on the second!!

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Postby sleightlycrazy » Dec 24th, '08, 20:38

Blapsing_Beard wrote:the fact that you are young won't help. I went to uni telling people that I started hypnosis at 14 and have been doing it for 4-5 years. That instills confidence in you. That's also the reason old friends and family won't work. In your case, it may unfortunately be the age that is holding you back michael, and your participants may not be able to see someone at 14 as "the hypnotist". Now go out there and prove me wrong. No two participants respond the same, so what works on one will not work on everybody else. If one doesn't work, try another! That's what I do! Good luck!



I think Mike is 15 (I know he's about a year younger than me) and as a 16 year old, I've had quite a few successes. For Mike, I think the problem may be his attitude. He seems to be doubting himself already, and he may be trying to hypnotize people who see him as a clever sleight of hand trickster.

[edit - To Mike] Like Beardy is reiterating, in hypnosis, you must be able to adapt to individuals. You won't find much success if you go out with a single way of hypnotizing people. In magic and sleight of hand, you rarely need more than a single way of doing a routine (not a single method, mind you; method layering is important), but in hypnosis, you have to observe the subject to know how to handle him/her as an individual.

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Postby Beardy » Dec 24th, '08, 21:02

My mistake. But as I said mike, adapt on the spot. Not everybody acts the same!

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