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MasterCyde wrote:To be honest with you. I'm actually leaning towards that. I know it sounds crazy as he uses fake explanations all the time but I don't know of any OOTW method that would work with pictures being shown face up.

The "Living" and "Dead" markings are the real "faces" of the pictures -- that is, the hidden sides that correspond to the faces of playing cards in the standard OOTW. The spectator isn't encouraged to handle them once they've been turned over.

I am told that DB uses a special handling which is discussed in "The Devil's Picturebook" (which I don't yet own, so I don't know the details). If you watch how he takes back the pictures after the undertaker's finished with them, he makes moves, but doesn't seem to do quite the usual sort of thing.

I'm sure a lot of viewers think the undertaker trick was done using subliminals. After all, Derren talks about subliminal messages a lot. And for this trick, he makes a big fuss about the mental influence of the spooky setting, chats with the undertaker about death, and so on. Subliminal communication is an obvious explanation to latch on to.

If you have the DVD, watch this bit with the audio commentary switched on. They have a giggle about his closing remark. "What did you say there?"

Yeah, it's OOTW - unless I'm very much mistaken, which I often am!

I have The Devil's Picturebook, and use Derren's version of OOTW when i perform it. I can't imagine him being able to use any of his moves for that trick with this picture malarkey, it didnt work that way.

But he's a wiley old fox, you can never be sure with the goateed scampster.

Grimshaw wrote:I have The Devil's Picturebook, and use Derren's version of OOTW when i perform it. I can't imagine him being able to use any of his moves for that trick with this picture malarkey, it didnt work that way.

But he's a wiley old fox, you can never be sure with the goateed scampster.

It won't be exactly the same "move" from Devil's Picturebook, because that requires a sprung packet, but it will be the same idea of separation under off-beat misdirection, because as Robbie has already said, with photographs the faces are technically the equivalent of the backs of the cards, so it will be utter simplicity to locate the correct point in the stacks to split.

Is it fair that we discuss a method so openly from someone who gave us so much?

His quote only works if you know the hidden meaning afterall.

Next up - how the confabulation routine works...and MORE!

Duplicity wrote:Is it fair that we discuss a method so openly from someone who gave us so much?

His quote only works if you know the hidden meaning afterall.

Next up - how the confabulation routine works...and MORE!

Yeah, but I'd like to meet the layperson who browses this thread and has a clue what I am on about. In fact, now I think about it I'd like to meet ANYONE who knows what I'm on about most of the time!

It wasn't aimed at just you Queen of Clubs, but if we Google:

"derren brown undertaker", on the first page, we get the video of the effect, and on the second page - the explanation, by us!

It's hardly an explanation and laypersons are unlikely to remember the details; as is often the case when hearing a treatise on a subject of which one has no knowledge.

iirc the workings of ootw (not the db variant though) are in wikipedia

so if somebody is willing enough he can just look it up and thats it. i think some pepople are just too paranoid - laypeople are not willing to invest too much work to find out the workings of a trick. and if one or two does than be it - the rest still will be in the unknown

I'm just saying that you have a perfectly good secrets area where you can discuss all this freely. And we should respect the mystique of the effect.

Not much to ask surely?

queen of clubs wrote:

Grimshaw wrote:I have The Devil's Picturebook, and use Derren's version of OOTW when i perform it. I can't imagine him being able to use any of his moves for that trick with this picture malarkey, it didnt work that way.

But he's a wiley old fox, you can never be sure with the goateed scampster.

as Robbie has already said, with photographs the faces are technically the equivalent of the backs of the cards, so it will be utter simplicity to locate the correct point in the stacks to split.

yes, but if you watch the video the last couple of cards put down are turned over and shown to be in the right pile so no switch was made on those cards atleast. You can switch playing cards as they all look the same face down. With pictures you can see which pile they're in and if they switch pile..

MasterCyde wrote:yes, but if you watch the video the last couple of cards put down are turned over and shown to be in the right pile so no switch was made on those cards atleast. You can switch playing cards as they all look the same face down. With pictures you can see which pile they're in and if they switch pile..

You're completely misunderstanding the technique. I can't really correct you without going into the kind of detail that will get this post deleted, but clearly you don't own Devil's Picturebook.

Derren's OOTW is not the regular OOTW.

I think the main problem with the revelation aspect is the fact that we are revealing that Derren Brown uses magic tricks to achieve some effects.

He always say's the show is a combination of magic, suggestion, etc etc, but what people know him for is using some form of manipulation, from psychology to 'hypnotism' and all his tricks are tailored with that in mind.

By revealing that it is a trick we remove some of the impact of the effect.

Derren says he achieves his results using a combination of "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship". I think that is the only true statement he makes. Everything else he utters is just lies!

I suspect he always has his fingers crossed when he tells us how he does things - the fibbing little tinker !!