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i wonder if Mrs Petrie is a bit of a dish?

*groan

Well...

Let's see.
I used to be a Christian - and I've noticed that there's recently been a trend of atheism being "popular" or the "intelligent choice" so I say to Richard's army, Dr Borekins (Dawkins) had absolutely nothing to do with me no longer being Christian. Just to set the record straight on that point

As an ex-Christian, I remember offering to pray for people and I remember some people being rather rude when declining. "Don't pull that c*** (not the best) on me" etc. Now that is offensive - asking someone if they would like to be prayed for is not.
If someone believes something very strongly, as clearly this woman did, then it is natural for them to spread the word.

New agers proclaim these miraculous things they take for colds, Christian's their prayers and self-righteous, pompous atheists their "intelligent reasoning" (Sorry about that, I know they're not all like that but too many of them come across like that and the "Ah! You don't believe in God either? At last a sensible person!" rubbish that too many of them spout at me makes me want to slap them in the face. Are religious people not allowed to be sensible?)

If I was to be offended by an offer of a prayer, I might as well be offended by the offer a new medicine which has recently been approved by double-blind scientific testing.
The only real difference here is the marked testability of the effectiveness of said thing.
If someone wants to offer to pray for me I explain that I'm flattered but think it would be hypocritical of me to accept.
I don't report to them to the next professional I see and certainly if they were pulled up to a tribunal for that act, I would stand and fight in their corner.

Like the rest of you, I'd rather they were kind and caring enough to offer a prayer (which, lets face it, is something they would be doing outside of work - out of the goodness of their own heart) which I could politely decline, than they be some ridiculous robot, scared to sneeze in case I report them for spreading germs in my presence.

The worlds gone a bit mad really - and sadly, I don't see it getting better anytime soon.

Sorry. Double post.

Or triple...

Crikey. That went a bit mad!

i need a doctor, i keep seeing ecko's post three or four times in a row..

I saw this on the front cover of the Daily Mail and automatically assumed it was another of their Muslim scapegoating stories when I saw they word "pray", but apparently not!

I find it absurd that she was suspended for something like this. It's equally as pathetic as the time a year or so ago when that woman was suspended from British Airways because she refused not to wear a small cross around her neck.

I think if this nurse was daily happy-clapping her way through her duties and preaching non stop then that would be inappropriate, but this seems almost like she's being punished simply for being a Christian. If you're a devout Christian you pray for people. It's what they do.

queen of clubs wrote:I think if this nurse was daily happy-clapping her way through her duties and preaching non stop then that would be inappropriate, but this seems almost like she's being punished simply for being a Christian. If you're a devout Christian you pray for people. It's what they do.

Aye, but but do they have the right to annoy the ill with it?

Tomo wrote:

queen of clubs wrote:I think if this nurse was daily happy-clapping her way through her duties and preaching non stop then that would be inappropriate, but this seems almost like she's being punished simply for being a Christian. If you're a devout Christian you pray for people. It's what they do.

Aye, but but do they have the right to annoy the ill with it?

Is a one line, yes-or-no question really that annoying?

EckoZero wrote:Is a one line, yes-or-no question really that annoying?

It is if i have to climb out of my iron-lung to answer them...

i wonder whether she was Petrie-fied of saying yes?

Is asking a single polite question - and one that clearly others have found kind or beneficial - "annoying"? Annoying enough to be suspended? Nurses whispering when they think you can't hear them - that's annoying. And rude. A "yes please/no thanks" question is hardly bothering anyone.

Edit: as Ecko just pointed out

EckoZero wrote:Is a one line, yes-or-no question really that annoying?

I think it would be acceptable if the nurse had simply asked if it was okay to pray for the person and abided by her wishes. As it is, she seems to have told her what she intended to do. That has the effect of annoying in general because it fits the conceptual pattern of having control taken away.

Tomo wrote:

EckoZero wrote:Is a one line, yes-or-no question really that annoying?

I think it would be acceptable if the nurse had simply asked if it was okay to pray for the person and abided by her wishes. As it is, she seems to have told her what she intended to do. That has the effect of annoying in general because it fits the conceptual pattern of having control taken away.

I missed that part - where did you learn that? If she asked whether the lady would like prayer or not, and when she replied "no" said "well, I'm going to pray for you anyway, so HA!" - that would be a bit stupid.

I personally have prayed for people - but unfortunately, they survived...

if she forced her prayers on someone, praying against your wishes, then that's rather odd and slightly sinister...

"ooh i'll pray for you..go on, you know want it really you filthy little infirmed creature you..."

but if was just a simple question, then they're all being a bit silly...