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Lenoir wrote:If carrying an orange handle stanley knife on the way back from my art college is carrying a concealed weapon...

It is

Lenoir wrote:I'm 100% guilty.

You are

No, in full serious-ness, that's a really unfortunate occurrence. Ridiculous actually... I was under the impression that if you had a decent excuse (sorry... "valid reason") it was OK? I mean, you can't get done for carrying a kitchen knife home from the shops, but it'd have to be new and you'd have to have the packaging and receipt. You might have a little trouble if you got caught on the bus with a knife, but if it was a bus that goes into the country and you had a load of camping equipment on your back, you'd probably be OK...

The question is, did you shout at the yobs "I'LL SLIT YOUR ****ING THROATS, YOU MOTHER******* *****!" whilst slashing the air with the aforementioned knife...

The funny (read: silly) thing is, you can be done for carrying anything if it's with an intent to use it violently... even in self-defence. "Yes officer, I'm carrying this bag of cotton wool so if I get mugged I can shove it in the mouth of my assailant, leaving me time to run away as he coughs it up..."

You're nicked, grandma.

And yet - the nasty creatures living near where my mum works can get away without serious sentences because they carry an empty gun, and get their girlfriends to carry the ammo in their handbags. One is pretty much harmless without the other - they can't be done for carrying with intent to harm - and yet if anything "goes down", a quick call to the girlfriend round the corner, and you've got a lethal weapon.

Wake up, coppers...

Lenoir wrote:Carrying a concealed weapon

You conceal your weapon, you get done for it. You whip it out and shake it all about, you get done for it. What's a young lad supposed to do? Eh? You can't win!

To answer your question, no, I do not have a criminal record. What do you think this is? Talk Porridge?

Farlsborough wrote:

moonbeam wrote:I've got a Police record - does that count ???

"Sending out an S.O.S..."

And a concealed craft knife?! How did they know you were carrying it anyway?! Madness!!

I think I'm pretty incapable of doing anything to get a record other than something accidental like the craft knife thing, I once found a 20p on my dad's shop floor, took it to buy sweets (could buy more than just a Freddo in the good ol' days!) but felt so bad afterwards I put it back on the floor.

Pitiful and pathetic.

I dont have one yet, but every Friday night my band mates and I go out and cause all sorts of mischief so I expect one anyday now

[quote="Jobasha"]I'm in education, so I'm not allowed.."[/quote]

I'm surprised that a minor or spent conviction would debar someone. I thought that the enhanced CRB check was more about statutory violent offences or offences against children or vulnerable people?

I know that DV clearance (the top level clearance for people working with national assets protectively marked up to TOP SECRET ) is given to people who have minor criminal offences or who can demonstrate rehabilitation and are therefore fit and proper people, so having a criminal conviction isn't necessarily a life sentence.

Of course, the devil's in the detail. I once consulted for an insurance company whose policy was never to employ anyone who has ever had a CCJ (which just means an undefended summons for anything) _ever_ or who had ever been declared bankrupt (ever). The irony being that policies like that are what cause people to take risks. Of course the problem comes when the person who makes the decision to employ a confessed criminal realises that if the criminal goes bad, then they will be held at fault for employing them, so one ends up with a very risk averse climate.

If the offences you are thinking about are quite minor and you don't go to prison, then under the rehabilitation of offenders act the offence could be spent in as little as six months in the case of an absolute discharge. And then you don't have to tell anyone (ish). Once they are spent, provided you don't want to work with children (as the previous poster alluded) you have a pretty wide choice as the FSA will still have you as will the public sector. Though you might find it hard to become a JP or a GP (the Imperial student was reject because of a pecadillo) but once you _are_ a GP you will probably find that the GMC have a fair degree of latitude.

But then I Am Not A Lawyer, don't work in HR, the probation service, the police or an educational body and I don't really know what I'm talking about...

Are you trying to "make it big" with the band? Or do you have a career in mind for later on in life?

Hate to be the boring sensible one, but as Lenoir has demonstrated they can be easy to come by, and many career paths will simply be closed to you if you do, so it's not necessarily something to be foolhardy about...

Edit: Peccadillo - new word for me. Wonderful

Lenny, your age still says 17. So if you're 17 or haven't been charged since you turned 18 this may apply to you!!!

Basically the Irish judicial system is based entirely on the English system with minor deviations because they split in the 30's but still essentially mirror each other. Anyway, in Ireland once you turn 18 all your juvenile convictions are wiped off your record. Now I'm not sure if this applies to major crimes but certainly a number of my friends got petty thefts and alcohol possessions and the like deleted. You should check up on it cause you may be talking about an ex-criminal record (or soon to be ex!)

Actually I do have a carrer path in mind, I'm in school majoring in Broadcasting and I hope to break into radio. And as far as the band goes, we're riding it out to see where it goes. If we make big as you say, then that would be great, and we've already gotten interest from a minor label but overall its just a hobby

No I haven't got any criminal record but I was lucky I should have a few times but as they say I was the one that got away (but everytime) and luckily enough for me my friends were real friends and never snitched on me.

Just remembering back actually I remember I was about 8 or 9 and I was with a few friends who were between 8 and 12 and we decided to break into a school, I remember breaking into the i.t department and seeing all these shiny new typewritters so I had one (don't know what I was planning on doing with it as my mum would have killed me if I took it home) I remember the police turning up and trying to surround me so I ran and ran but I wouldn't drop this huge typewritter (remember I was only about 8 so it was huge and heavy) and I remember I had 2 old bill chasing me in circles for about 2-3 mins, in the end I had to drop the typewriter in the skip and bolt through the woods to get away.

Looking back it was a really bad thing to do but it is so comical in my mind thinking back over it, I was actually a little rascal some of the things I got up to, I could sit here and talk all day about the stupid positions I got myself in they were so stupid that they would probably look out of place and unbelivable even on the old tv series bottom.

I've been grey listed by the police for doing a hidden camera stunt. If I'm seen in public doing the same thing again I can be fined. Innuendo bingo, here I come!

I had my fingerprints taken when the office was broken into and several computers stolen -- they said "for elimination", but I'm not entirely sure my manager didn't suspect me. He was that type of manager. (I didn't do it.)

Colin was a naughty boy in his younger days, but I won't go into details. He's very law-abiding now.

I'm a good girl and have never done anything to get me in trouble

Robbie wrote:I had my fingerprints taken when the office was broken into and several computers stolen -- they said "for elimination", but I'm not entirely sure my manager didn't suspect me. He was that type of manager. (I didn't do it.)

I hate to break this to you, but even though they took them for elimination purposes, the police will have retained your fingerprints.

Me, I've never even had a parking ticket.

Tomo wrote:Me, I've never even had a parking ticket.

That's because he gets chauffeured everywhere. "Home, James!"

Replicant wrote:That's because he gets chauffeured everywhere. "Home, James!"

I no longer drive. I passenge.

I live near a small parade of shops and a post office, bigger things are easily ordered and delivered online, and going out anywhere involves booze. What's the point of driving? I do have a car (Peugeot 305 TDi), but it's been on a SORN in front of the garage for three years.