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Postby Tomo » Mar 3rd, '09, 23:46



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Tomo wrote:I was once in a room with a Goliath Bird Eating spider the size of a dinner plate at the start of my desensitisation to arachnids.

I think I'll keep my arachnophobia, ta

I've never quite understood having a fear of spiders. Most phobias seem to have at least a somewhat sane basis behind them (you'll fall to your death at a great height, you might get trapped and run out of oxygen if in a small enclosure) but I can't for the life of me say why I dislike spiders... they just freak me out

Maybe arachnophobia is a superstition? Maybe I'm just repeating Jean's point? :)

My predominant thought is that they'll grab me, like a hand with fangs. Rational me knows it's not going to happen, but we are our subconscious' sock puppet. It calls the shots, not us. What it believes becomes reality for us.

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Postby Farlsborough » Mar 4th, '09, 00:21

Tomo wrote:Second, acrophobia is the term for a fear of heights. Vertigo is actually the medical term for dizziness.

Sorry. :oops:


Well, it depends on what you term "dizziness" :twisted:

Interesting: I was confused as to the Greek stem "acro", because there are medical conditions (acromegaly) which have nothing to do with heights.

Apparently "acrophobia" comes from "akron", meaning peak or summit. "Acromegaly" comes from "Akros", meaning extreme or extremity.

Those stupid Greeks, confusing things :)

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Postby Tomo » Mar 4th, '09, 00:28

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Tomo wrote:Second, acrophobia is the term for a fear of heights. Vertigo is actually the medical term for dizziness.

Sorry. :oops:


Well, it depends on what you term "dizziness" :twisted:

Interesting: I was confused as to the Greek stem "acro", because there are medical conditions (acromegaly) which have nothing to do with heights.

Apparently "acrophobia" comes from "akron", meaning peak or summit. "Acromegaly" comes from "Akros", meaning extreme or extremity.

Those stupid Greeks, confusing things :)


ENT isn't my field :D

I was taking my lead entirely from acroprops.

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Postby Robbie » Mar 4th, '09, 13:02

kolm wrote:I've never quite understood having a fear of spiders. Most phobias seem to have at least a somewhat sane basis behind them (you'll fall to your death at a great height, you might get trapped and run out of oxygen if in a small enclosure) but I can't for the life of me say why I dislike spiders... they just freak me out


It's thought that all primates are predisposed to fear spiders and snakes, because these are threats in the wild. "Overreacting" to a glimpse of multiple skittering legs or something slithery in the grass is a life-saving response under jungle conditions.

Spider and snake phobias, and a general fear of predatory animals, tend to peak at about the same age that children start wandering about on their own. Again, makes good evolutionary sense. The fears usually decline as the child matures and becomes more able to understand and deal with the world.

Around puberty, females often show a second peak of spider phobia, but this is closely connected with a sense of spiders being "hairy" (not necessarily tarantulas, but the legs themselves are described as hairy) and is thought to be an expression of semi-repressed fears about sex.

Spider venom is harmless to most vertebrates, but dangerous to primates, thanks to some quirk of primate metabolism.

In behavioural psychology, a superstition is defined as some behaviour that is repeated because it was accidentally followed by a reward (reinforcement) at some point in the past, even though the behaviour had no actual connection with gaining the reward. If you kiss a lottery ticket, for instance, and then win a prize, you're more likely to do it again next time. Any animal can learn superstitious behaviour in this way, but humans have the added benefit of language so they can tell each other about "lucky" things to do.

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Postby Tomo » Mar 4th, '09, 13:19

Robbie wrote:In behavioural psychology, a superstition is defined as some behaviour that is repeated because it was accidentally followed by a reward (reinforcement) at some point in the past, even though the behaviour had no actual connection with gaining the reward. If you kiss a lottery ticket, for instance, and then win a prize, you're more likely to do it again next time. Any animal can learn superstitious behaviour in this way, but humans have the added benefit of language so they can tell each other about "lucky" things to do.

As I explained right at the start of this thread...

The illusion of control has even been observed in pigeons.

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Postby Ted » Mar 4th, '09, 13:25

Tomo wrote:The illusion of control has even been observed in pigeons.


This was, I seem to remember, discussed by Mr D Brown in Tricks of the Mind.

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Postby Tomo » Mar 4th, '09, 14:16

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Tomo wrote:The illusion of control has even been observed in pigeons.


This was, I seem to remember, discussed by Mr D Brown in Tricks of the Mind.

I don't remember, but in casinos the craps players routinely shake the dice longer when higher numbers are required, as if exerting some control, despite then tumbling them about seven feet down the table!

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Postby kolm » Mar 4th, '09, 15:59

Tomo wrote:I don't remember, but in casinos the craps players

Aw, c'mon, I'm sure you're no better!


Anyway, thanks for the explanation Robbie. Never knew that before

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Postby Tomo » Mar 4th, '09, 16:17

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Tomo wrote:I don't remember, but in casinos the craps players

Aw, c'mon, I'm sure you're no better!

Do you know, I've never been in a casino. I'm really not a natural gambler. I don't do the lottery, never buy scratch cards, or put bets on. I did a bit of day trading with some disposable income while working at home a few years ago but never really got anywhere serious with it.

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