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The consumption of someone else's urine however, can become quite dangerous, fast!

"Here, Pee into this cup. I'm dying of thirst!"

Craig Browning wrote:faux faith healer

As opposed to...?

Craig Browning wrote:
use it in combination to traditional western medicine and most typically hand in hand with their MD as well as a trusted and learned pharmacist who would be aware of possible interaction issues.

There are no interaction issues, because the homeopathy is just a bottle of water with no molecules of the original herb there. So no risk at all of any danger mixing it with anything really.



Apart from magnesium.

Firstly Damian, you are new here so you don't know the rule about not poking the bear from the states, consider this your warning... this bear bites!

Secondly, your comments reveal that your position is that of a cynic not a skeptic. You've made up your mind on things, it's all black & white and your opinion is the only truth... an opinion evidently based on very limited, one sided "investigation"... I'm betting there's been no real investigation to it on your part, just reading what is being said through the various "Skeptics" groups... just like church, you believe what you're told to believe and read only what the Bishop says is allowed.

Faith Healing is genuine in that the axiom is "Physician Heal They Self" and when the patient shifts his/her thinking be it deliberately through self will or as the result of a catalysts like being thumped in the head by an evangelist or Reiki treatments, a sweat lodge purification ceremony or what ever, transmutation happens and in the majority of cases healing takes place.

The other part of that particular point that you are (conveniently) leaving out is that Death is sometimes viewed as being part of the healing process. A person that is dying from a chronic illness can serve as the catalyst that brings about familial healing -- a gift of sorts to the family prior to their leaving the earth. Death is likewise seen as being healing because it allows the person in question to become free of their affliction but too, through the process and working with a "counselor" they are able to find peace. This is what "Death Walkers" do with their patrons... Death Walkers are shaman who specialize in helping people cope with age and crossing over; both the person in question as well as their loved ones. It is a very ancient practice that can be found the world over.

Contrary to your cynical point of view, there can be interactions to homeopathic and herb based treatments when taken with traditional medication, emergency rooms have many records proving such I can assure you. Too, even if it is a placebo influence, encouraging patients to couple their treatment with a legit MD keeps them on track, allowing the psychological side of things help them keep their thoughts positive and mood elevated, which is paramount when it comes to healing and overcoming (or just living with) a health issue.

Arrogance and Cynicism is non-conducive and can prove highly detrimental, even more so than believing in the power of snake oil at times.

Craig Browning wrote:Arrogance and Cynicism is non-conducive and can prove highly detrimental, even more so than believing in the power of snake oil at times.

oh the irony!

when it comes down to medicine, the ones i believe in most are the ones that have thoroughly tested, work consistently and are prescribed for me by a trained doctor...I'm a bit funny like that...

anyway - if homeopathy works so well, why dont they do it with mainstream drugs and help all the little starving kiddies throughout the world?

and why isnt homeopathy used more for cancer treatment and other potentially fatal diseases?

if its a case of self belief - then surely homeopathy is now the same as me believing that holding a pencil between my teeth for ten minutes a day will cure me of a disease?

Craig Browning wrote:Firstly Damian, you are new here so you don't know the rule about not poking the bear from the states, consider this your warning... this bear bites!

Sorry, are you a mod here? What exactly are you warning me of?

Craig Browning wrote:Secondly, your comments reveal that your position is that of a cynic not a skeptic.

You make your mind up so quickly? Interesting. Assumption is a dagerous game to play.

Craig Browning wrote:You've made up your mind on things, it's all black & white and your opinion is the only truth... an opinion evidently based on very limited, one sided "investigation"... I'm betting there's been no real investigation to it on your part, just reading what is being said through the various "Skeptics" groups... just like church, you believe what you're told to believe and read only what the Bishop says is allowed.

So you assume.

Anyway, even if you were right, which you aren't, what point are you trying to make?

Craig Browning wrote:Faith Healing is genuine...in the majority of cases healing takes place.

Citation needed. What rot.

Craig Browning wrote:The other part of that particular point that you are (conveniently) leaving out is that Death is sometimes viewed as being part of the healing process.

Possibly the single most amusing thing anyone like you has ever posted.

Craig Browning wrote:Contrary to your cynical point of view, there can be interactions to homeopathic...and traditional medication, emergency rooms have many records proving such I can assure you.

Awesome. Link me to a couple would you? I just looked on google and couldn't find anything.

Craig Browning wrote:Arrogance and Cynicism is non-conducive and can prove highly detrimental, even more so than believing in the power of snake oil at times.

Yes, and being patronising, assumptive and verbose on the internet can make you look to be a bit of a pompous fool.

IAIN wrote:homeopathy is now the same as me believing that holding a pencil between my teeth for ten minutes a day will cure me of a disease?

Absolutely right.

It has been proven, in proper clinical trials, to have no less and no more efficacy than a sugar pill.

Or a pencil in your teeth. Make sure you hit the pencil 10 times with a rubber mallet every other day though or it won't work.

i hear rubbing an asprin into a parrot's shadow helps with asthma...

IAIN wrote:i hear rubbing an asprin into a parrot's shadow helps with asthma...

It does, actually. I've been rubbing parrots for years and it's done me the world of good.

They probably enjoyed it too!

And Craig, care to link me to some of these unapproved study materials. Maybe one's with well designed clinical studies and a realistic method of action?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/20 ... rans.shtml

quite interesting, and unless you read it all before commenting, you'll likely make a tool of yourself

Craig Browning wrote:Contrary to your cynical point of view, there can be interactions to homeopathic and herb based treatments when taken with traditional medication, emergency rooms have many records proving such I can assure you. Too, even if it is a placebo influence, encouraging patients to couple their treatment with a legit MD keeps them on track, allowing the psychological side of things help them keep their thoughts positive and mood elevated, which is paramount when it comes to healing and overcoming (or just living with) a health issue.

If alternative medicine worked, it would be used by the medical community. It would cease to become alternative medicine and will become medicine. It's only alternative medicine because it's not been proven in a real scientific test to work

The only proven effect of alternative medicine is a placebo effect. It can sometimes be dangerous, as people will stop taking proven medicine such as refuse cancer treatment in favour of taking alternative medicine (usually because the chemotherapy was considered to be not working and indeed making the person feel unwell), which apparently worked (not so, chemotherapy takes a while to take an effect), and so they will carry on taking this unproven alternative therapy

Not cynical, just someone who believes in science and open to new ideas if they've gone through scientific clinical trials

Forgive me for prying, but do you take homeopathic treatment, Craig?

That was a good read. A few odd spelling mistakes for a BBC piece, but some interesting points covered. The claims of homoeopathic medicine helping animals makes for an interesting counter to the placebo effect, but I doubt any of that has been tested in any serious way.

That interview thing made an interesting but wrong point about drugs used in conventional medicine. It seemed to make out that drugs are not used even if they're proven effective just because we don't know why it works, which is b*ll*cks. To my knowledge we still have no idea why lithium works so well for bipolar disorder, but it does, so we use it.

As for interactions between homeopathic "medicines" and conventional medicines: nope. Certainly not the case in the UK, and given that drug interactions and problems are circulated globally very quickly and most countries read each other's medical journals, I'd put a small bet on it being the same in the US.

Herbal medication, well that's something totally different. St. John's Wort is a royal pain in the ass as it interacts with a whole load of stuff.

That being said, some doctor's will advise you to stop taking homeopathic medicines. Needless to say, it has nothing to do with drug interactions...

Why don't you each dig back about a century in time and look at when medicine was a political issue within society and how, via "lobbying" pharmaceutical companies along side organizations created by certain types of "doctors" were actively and even viciously (as in lynchings) seeking government and legal sanctions suppressing the validity of anything outside what they offered.

Just like the church and how it paints anything outside it's point of view as evil so elements like the AMA paint alternative treatments including practices like Acupuncture that have been used very successfully for over 2,000 years... same with herbs and other treatments. Catch is, most alternative medicine actually strives to "cure" the problem while standard western medicine seeks to mask the symptoms.