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its like how indiana jones levitates in the last crusade

the path over it is made to look like the bottom of the canyon like if it was using black art methods

found out what it is background blending or masking

I know the guys who worked on that movie.
And i also know that this would only work if...

you only had one member of the audience looking at it, they only had one eye, and you strapped them down on a frame so they couldnt move an inch.
and a limitless budget...
oh, and you had a computer to tweek it a bit post production.

( It was shot in part, on green screen, part in minatures then put together)

Dale, I hope you've realised that this character you are so patiently helping is just looking for secrets. Just check the threads he starts.

kolm wrote:I think you're overcomplicating things, Craig. See a demonstration which doesn't use a pit, doesn't use mirrors, and is set in a house rather than a stage here

I understand why Derren would refer to this as Pepper's Ghost but at the same time we're looking at an entirely different set of mechanisms at work (though far more practical than what I'm familiar with). A similar piece was recently tipped on in which the glass panel slid in and out of a wall pocket.

The method in question is what most, at least in the Carney world, refer to as the Blue Room, which is the premise behind the Girl to Gorilla, and other popular side show effects.

I am quite amazed though... if some unknown child had tipped this piece on YouTube everyone would have been screaming bloody murder about exposure. Let Derren tip it as a "public service" piece on scams and voila! The stigma of tipping magic secrets seems to go away... quite interesting

magiccmb wrote:could you do it if you had a very black art set up with the background of the field printed on making it look open air! yes it would be exspensive but am theorising something.

Actually, there is a way that might work but it goes back to the Harary effect known as PERSPECTIVE and the primary gimmick used within that piece. Franz is the guy to talk to on that front given his passion for using this sort of thinking.

Dale, we're talking about a ancient temple with a holy relic -- a place where miraculous things are possible. In this case the good knights (no pun intended) simply tapped into future technology and covered the bridge with that holo-fabric the Japanese developed that more or less give you a cloak of invisibility... it's something the military is very much behind.

lenoir said:

Dale, I hope you've realised that this character you are so patiently helping is just looking for secrets. Just check the threads he starts.

how the hell is that revealing magic secrets its a special effect in a movie also im the one who mentioned the tecnique first i was asking if that could be done vertical as a background rather than a floor like a when vanishing a person using black art.

The basic girl to gorilla method, is way older than peppers ghost .
Well, at least i think it is. The Chat Noir night club in Paris, had a girl to skelington cabinet. Punters would step in, and be transformed.

Indeed, this is probably where the smaller unit was developed.

There is a company on line that supplies a fabric alternative to glass.
Though i cant recall their name, they are responsible for the holograms of the Gorillas Pop band. ( Kind of apt if you think about it)

magiccmb wrote:lenoir said:

Dale, I hope you've realised that this character you are so patiently helping is just looking for secrets. Just check the threads he starts.

how the hell is that revealing magic secrets its a special effect in a movie also im the one who mentioned the tecnique first i was asking if that could be done vertical as a background rather than a floor like a when vanishing a person using black art.

90% of all movie special effects date back to Melliers who was a stage magician.

daleshrimpton said:

magiccmb wrote:
lenoir said:
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Dale, I hope you've realised that this character you are so patiently helping is just looking for secrets. Just check the threads he starts.


how the hell is that revealing magic secrets its a special effect in a movie also im the one who mentioned the tecnique first i was asking if that could be done vertical as a background rather than a floor like a when vanishing a person using black art.


90% of all movie special effects date back to Melliers who was a stage magician.

yes i understand this but how was revealing the special effects of the movies revealing magic secrets to me they are not secret all the dvds this day and age have making of documentaries explaining this[/quote]

Craig Browning wrote:I understand why Derren would refer to this as Pepper's Ghost but at the same time we're looking at an entirely different set of mechanisms at work (though far more practical than what I'm familiar with). A similar piece was recently tipped on in which the glass panel slid in and out of a wall pocket.

The method explained on the video is called Pepper's Ghost by many, many sources. Wikipedia included. And I'm sure you agree, it's very simple, very cheap, and very effective

I am quite amazed though... if some unknown child had tipped this piece on YouTube everyone would have been screaming bloody murder about exposure. Let Derren tip it as a "public service" piece on scams and voila! The stigma of tipping magic secrets seems to go away... quite interesting

It's not much of a secret really. I know of it because of an interest in optical effects and physics, not because of an interest in stage magic (in fact, I don't have an interest in stage magic at all). Derren Brown isn't the only person to say how it works, and he won't be the last

I didn't mention your silly picture. Look at all of your threads. Names of tricks wanted and how to do effects that you'll never perform.

kolm wrote:

Craig Browning wrote:I understand why Derren would refer to this as Pepper's Ghost but at the same time we're looking at an entirely different set of mechanisms at work (though far more practical than what I'm familiar with). A similar piece was recently tipped on in which the glass panel slid in and out of a wall pocket.

The method explained on the video is called Pepper's Ghost by many, many sources. Wikipedia included. And I'm sure you agree, it's very simple, very cheap, and very effective

I am quite amazed though... if some unknown child had tipped this piece on YouTube everyone would have been screaming bloody murder about exposure. Let Derren tip it as a "public service" piece on scams and voila! The stigma of tipping magic secrets seems to go away... quite interesting

It's not much of a secret really. I know of it because of an interest in optical effects and physics, not because of an interest in stage magic (in fact, I don't have an interest in stage magic at all). Derren Brown isn't the only person to say how it works, and he won't be the last

Ok... first off Wiki is exactly the best source to cite on anything.

Secondly (and admittedly) I picking at nits here simply because of what I know to be the true theatrical Pepper's Ghost vs. the "up-dated" variation everyone is applying the name to. While the reflection theory is the same my personal perspective and associations to the term don't come close to what's being shared (which actually comes closer to what I remember about the famed "Blue Room" actually). But I'll confess one other thing here; foggy memory and many, many years since I've tinkered with this kind of thing so I might be misremembering or more accurately "misapplying" names to methods (it happens).

My point on the whole "exposure" issue was again, a nit being picked for what should be obvious reasons; I could argue that the Center Tear has been exposed to death or the Thumb-Tip and how they are more or less common knowledge so there's no reason to cry when they're exposed on Tv or some other public resource... the logic is the same. Yet, let a perceived "Celebrity" of the industry expose such things and it gets ignored or looked at way differently than when some schmo does the same thing on-line

I brought this out NOT to create some kind of "tension" but rather, to get folks to pause a bit and think about how we address such antics and ask where the line really is in the sand that we're not supposed to cross?

I tend to largly ignore the few things Derren explains, and accept that in some cases, He is just Pulling a Houdini..

this is how he does it.. i dont do it that way myself.... and to prove it.. watch me do it.. see... completely different

Why is this still going?

because I'm bored