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magicbyfish wrote:how long have you know this person that you call a friend,, are you sure of his real persona ?
alex

I knew him for just a couple of years, that too many years ago.
And I dont call him my friend, I just wrote "a guy I know"

And as for his real persona, no idea.

well, the bottom line is...he's fooling you with "tricks".

its nothing supernatural, nothing devil-like, he's just playing with your mind. Just like winding you up really...

if you choose to believe otherwise, then thats up to you. I'm telling you for a fact its tricks made to look real. Enjoy them and remember he's fooling you.

IAIN wrote: I'm telling you for a fact its tricks made to look real.

Thank you for your kind words.
Wish it was so innocuous.

well, if you dont want to believe me, and want to accept its something else - then thats your decision. go and consult a priest if you are worried in any other way. i won't be replying anymore to this thread though. good luck in whatever choice you make for yourself.

IAIN wrote:well, if you dont want to believe me, and want to accept its something else - then thats your decision. go and consult a priest if you are worried in any other way. i won't be replying anymore to this thread though. good luck in whatever choice you make for yourself.

Good idea. Its either a wind up or he's determined to believe in magic tricks. Either way, life's too short and Easter eggs don't munch themselves. Nom, nom, nom.

Think about it this way, Uber_Confused. Most of the people in this forum can do the same thing your friend (or whoever he is) did. Not by making pacts with the devil. At least, not me anymore. They simply know tricks that make them appear as though they had access to carnal knowledge. It doesn't take much - just read a few books about mentalism and you'll be able to learn some of the tricks for yourself, including the one your friend used on you.

So now you have a choice, really. Either to believe that your friend is a warlock, or that he's played a trick and a prank on you. I don't know any warlocks, so I'd go for the second option. If you opt for the first one, I suggest you find a capable demon-hunter, a wooden stake and a REALLY good laweyer for the aftermath.

But seriously: It's a trick. It may feel as if he's played with your mind, but you can learn from it and perhaps enjoy bringing that sense of wonder to other people.

Have a nice week.

Easter eggs don't munch themselves. Nom, nom, nom.

TOMO,, PLEASE TELL ME YOUR JOKING ?? years of deeply held beliefs dshed in an instance !!

but seriously ,, UBER, the guy you know is simply doing tricks on you thats all .
but you did bring the rest on yourself really , it was too easy .


alex

dup wrote: Most of the people in this forum can do the same thing your friend (or whoever he is) did. Not by making pacts with the devil.

Do you mean that you can make a piece of paper appear in my wallet with the number I thought written on it, standing some 5 feet away from me the entire time?
Please pardon me if I am sounding irritating, but you all really dont know what hell I've been through.

yes, we can also make your ring dissapear and re-appear inside a sealed envelope that someone else is holding...

we can project words and thoughts into your mind, we even write them down first for proof...

we can make you forget your name, we can get writing to appear on chalk boards...

lots, and lots of things...

we use all kinds of techniques...none of which involve religion, devils, pacts, or anything else...just hard work, trickery and so forth...

for example, if i could tell you which of the three categories you were thinking of, film, music, sensations...just by you thinking of one...would you think i was in league with the devil? if you would, then thats down to your belief system, or you are trolling...

there is another answer, in that I'm doing something else, which i wont reveal, but it cost me less than a tenner to learn how to do it.

uber_confused wrote:

dup wrote: Most of the people in this forum can do the same thing your friend (or whoever he is) did. Not by making pacts with the devil.

Do you mean that you can make a piece of paper appear in my wallet with the number I thought written on it, standing some 5 feet away from me the entire time?
Please pardon me if I am sounding irritating, but you all really dont know what hell I've been through.

Many mentalism tricks and effects go in different ways from start to finish, but... yes. I truly believe that were I to work hard enough, I could cause you to remember that a piece of paper appeared in your wallet with the number you thought of written on it, all the time standing 5 feet away from you.

It is not my place to tell you how it's done, since I'm not the inventor of those methods. You can find that our for yourself by reading books about mentalism. All I'm saying is that it CAN be done without resort to any mystical powers.

dup wrote:They simply know tricks that make them appear as though they had access to carnal knowledge.

Does 'carnal knowledge' have a meaning other than 'rumpy-pumpy'?

Or have I completely misread that post?

As for wind-ups in replies, we've had enough trolls hereabouts to put everyone's guard up about topics like this. So you can expect lashings of sarcasm from members who think the whole topic is a big wind-up.

If it isn't a big joke (or an indirect attempt to fish for methods for tricks), be aware that there are very few members on this board that believe in dark magick. Most of us could come up with a good half dozen methods of achieving the feats described through trickery and sheer bare-faced guile. because of the nature of magic and mentalism, nobody will explain how these things can be done - only reassure you that they can.

Yes, people get duped and conned and worse by people claiming to be 'the real deal', but we're not going to expose their methods either - other than to warn you to view every so-called psychic/witch/warlock/whatever with a cynical eye. And give thought to their agenda first before thinking about what they claim to be able to do.

Nuff said. I'm bowing out of this topic too. I think I've said all I can on the issue - publically or via PM.

Pete

Oops... I meant 'cabal', not carnal.

God's in the details, isn't it?

yeah, but if someone comes on here genuinely worried about it all, and mentalism can put the fear in some people...then we can help out...

what has just struck me though, is that he knows the term mentalism...and not many people do...hmmm

Once again I apologize for whatever trouble I caused here.
But please see my 2nd post where I clearly said I have no intention of learning the tricks, if they are, because I have no aptitude for magic/mentalism.

IAIN wrote:what has just struck me though, is that he knows the term mentalism...and not many people do...hmmm

After getting duped, I started searching the net, got to know these words like mind reading, cold reading, mentalism, the books on mentalism, but didn't find any mention to such a trick anywhere.

I've not even once said "how".

And thank you all of you who told me that it can be done as a trick.

if he can "see" a four digit number, ring him up now and tell him to tell you your PIN, no questions asked or adding up to be done...

and, if you ask him "I'm thinking of a word tell me it" - if he asks you to write it down anywhere, or he suddenly changes category or adds more rules...say no...

I still think there are ways of even getting around that- I've had someone challenge me to tell them their PIN and I suceeded (without anything being written ). You have to remember our whole art is about making you think we have some form of league with the devil- otherwise your just some magician- but it is our ethics to rightly deny any such pact. They're all tricks and psychology: there is nothing supernatural. If you don't want to take our word for it, then go ahead- but remember the whole idea of magic is doing the impossible. The argument 'yes, but this actually was impossible' is not really valid- everything we do needs that response, otherwise you'd know how we did it and be out of the job
You also have to remember that we are professional opportunists- You ask anyone here and they will all be able to tell you a time where perfect conditions, luck and opportunism have actually achieved the impossible. For example, There was a famous magician who asked somebody to think of any object in their room at home, which the person verified was at home and they thought of a watch- the magician then teleported the watch to the room. Now, that actually is impossible, but it is all clever psychology and opportunism.[/i]