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Markdini wrote:Lets face it if he was that brave he would have grabbed the stewardess and joint the mile high cub.

Well, as Derren pointed out a lot did get edited out...

...just sayin...

I didn't really enjoy it if I'm honest, wasn't really my cup of tea.

My major disappointment was that Derren, who I'd always considered a champion of skepticism and rational thinking, seems to be doing shows about self-help and positive vibes. In my book, pseudo-science is pseudo-science, however you dress it.

Markdini wrote:forget all this stooge business , I noticed errors during the talk down firstly the throttle wasn't reduced for landing nor was the flaps lowed. I didn't hear a localiser either ruined the whole show for me

Colin was criticising the landing procedure all the way through -- and he's not a pilot, it's just things he's picked up from movies and TV.

The poor lad was supposed to make it, after all, and he was in a somewhat altered state at the time. All that was needed was enough realism to be believable in a dream.

Serendipity wrote:My major disappointment was that Derren, who I'd always considered a champion of skepticism and rational thinking, seems to be doing shows about self-help and positive vibes. In my book, pseudo-science is pseudo-science, however you dress it.

Self-help is hardly pseudo-science. The main theme of the show was "all you've got is this one lifetime, and you're the sole master of it", which is fairly hard-line atheism when you get right down to it.

Mandrake wrote:Dunno about you folks but if I were on a plane with no conscious pilot or co-pilot and noibody else likely to have flying knowledge, I'd be working on a different principle. a) If I try to fly the plane, we are very lilely to crash. b) If I don't try to fly the plane we'll definitely crash. Therefore c) I'll have a go and hope that ground control can talk me though what to do - which is exactly what happened albeit in a simulator rather than at 30,000ft.

I did feel rather sorry for the guy, everybody else had changed into tuxedos and posh frocks and he was the only poor bug.ger in his sweaty everyday clothes - I hope somebody arranged for some smart gear to be available in his sizes!

I'll add to this. If you were on a plane and both pilot and co-pilot were out of the picture, they wouldn't get any old jackass to land the plane. No way you'd be able to land it, even with a Hollywood-style talking to from a ground controller. What would happen is someone would get on the radio, say "We have a plane with no pilots" and the ground controller would talk the cabin crew through activating the auto-pilot systems. Most big airline planes can pretty much land themselves.

What I would do in that situation is wet my pants and cry probably.

Really wasn't a fan of this DB special at all. I've felt his work over the last few years has gone dramatically down hill (not his stage shows though ) and I don't hold out much hope for part 2. It sounds a little cliche, but when I watch Britains most famous magician on TV, I wouldn't mind seeing a few tricks. I wasn't buying it at all, and yeah, the show had a nice message. But if I want to watch a "feel-good" story, I'll watch Trisha, not a magician.

Different strokes for different folks, but Derren's TV shows are leaving me cold.

Some years ago I read that one of the options for Ground Control in those circumstances is to talk the amatuer pilot into changing the flight path of the plane, assuring him that all is well but actually getting him to fly the plane out over the sea to use up the fuel and where the inevitable crash won't cause any ground casualties and damage to property.....

Matthius88 wrote: No way you'd be able to land it, even with a Hollywood-style talking to from a ground controller.

Mythbusters would disagree as they tested this very thing and both Adam and Jamie successfully landed (in a simulator of course) a commercial air liner equivalent with no previous flying experience. I agree that even in the extremely unlikely event of pilot and co-pilot being out of action they would not choose a random from the passengers and would instead turn to the cabin crew (although seeing some of the EasyJet cabin crew I would possibly prefer a passenger!) however in a high pressure situation you rarely stop to consider what is going on and only question the reality afterwards. I am not saying that somebody with no flying knowledge can successfully fly a plane, quite the opposite but somebody who follows exactly what they are told to do in order to land a plane actually makes complete sense to me, especially once you factor in the high degree of automation available.

I liked this. I like that Derren is trying new things which is both refreshing and brave. Most of all I like the fact that I can watch this without my wife without her getting bored watching some guy do "tricks".

i bet he sits revelling like a demented mentalist queen that everyone is debating how he did it?....is it real???.....is he a stooge??.....(my personal favourite) are the camera angles too good lmao. He is , like him or loathe him the barnum of our age and i for one love it.

There is if memory serves me right i section in 13 steps that talks about creating a buzz and generating publicity. He seems to have thouroighly absorbed this chapter lol

Mandrake wrote:Some years ago I read that one of the options for Ground Control in those circumstances is to talk the amatuer pilot into changing the flight path of the plane, assuring him that all is well but actually getting him to fly the plane out over the sea to use up the fuel and where the inevitable crash won't cause any ground casualties and damage to property.....

I've heard this as well. It sounds pretty harsh but could be true. Once you decide all the passengers are doomed anyway, you might as well do what you can to prevent collateral damage.

Did anyone else see the revelation in the papers last week or thereabouts that flight-training simulators are too easy? A lot of plane crashes over the past few decades were traced back to simulators being easier to control than the real thing. Applying what you learned to do in a simulated emergency is a good way to crash in real life.

Back to the TV show, our favourite moment was the look on Matt's face when he stepped out of the simulator. A perfect pictorial definition of "WTF????"

I know that flight simulators work off data tables rather than modelling a three-dimensional object in a dynamic air or water space, and as a result they will behave differently than a real plane. This is generally overlooked though because you have to go to extremes in order to discover these differences, which you shouldn't be doing in a 747 or whatever.

So now the second person is half way through there derren experience, whats to stop then from posting on foums that its them, or might be them?

Speaking about the victims surprise as he stepped out the simulator, it reminded me of the movie 'The Game' with Michael Douglas and I do wonder if it was a source for the idea.

(I hope no one has mentioned it's likeness to this film already. I'm doing this through my mobile as my Internet is down for a couple of days.)

Derren has said Donnie Darko, The Game, Fight Club, Watchmen were all inspiration among others

jhmagic1 wrote:So now the second person is half way through there derren experience, whats to stop then from posting on foums that its them, or might be them?

They have been threatened by a Crocodile, and so are keeping shtum.

Turns out the next installment isnt on 10/10/10 after all

Yeah, I noticed that. Then I thought that it may just be because it was a Sunday, so I checked the rest of the week... nothing. Perhaps it was just metaphorical after all?