Reversing the bottom card

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Reversing the bottom card

Postby philipksmith » Dec 21st, '10, 23:03



Can anyone recommend a good technique for secretly reversing the bottom card in a deck?

In Harry Lorayne's Magic Book he refers to a technique involving dropping your hand to your side, which is OK if you're standing, not so good seated.

Many thanks in anticipation...

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Postby kolm » Dec 21st, '10, 23:09

Are you sat at a table?

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Postby philipksmith » Dec 21st, '10, 23:14

Yes, I want to be able to perform the effect sat down. I suspect some variant of a pass might do it (and I'm prepared to put in the learning).

I've searched through Card College and can't quite find what I need - probably because I haven't looked for the correct term in the index!

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Postby kolm » Dec 21st, '10, 23:27

Try this, something after playing for a few minutes:
Palm the bottom card into your hand, but don't move the deck away. Using the thumb or index finger of the card that's palming the card, turn the palmed card around (using the deck and the table as cover). As you're doing this turn the deck around too to face the table and place it on the table

It's not silent and it's not invisible, but it could be something to get you started with. You might be able to do this under the table too, which will mean you can get away with a lot more (assuming you have reason to put your hands under the table)

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Postby phillipnorthfield » Dec 21st, '10, 23:33

Braue Reveral? Then cut it back to the bottom casually?

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Postby kolm » Dec 21st, '10, 23:42

You and your simple solutions :)

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Postby philipksmith » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:05

The Braue does it, but to get the effect I want I need to turn the pack face up (I think). This exposes the bottom card which I want hidden.

I played around with the palming idea and came up with this.

Deck face up in a concealed Biddle grip which masks the face up card. Take the card into palm. Slide the deck away from Biddle with the other hand while also rotating it and place on top of the palmed card. So I am turning the whole deck rather than just the palmed card.

I have misdirection time since the spectator is doing something at the time.

Thanks for your tips guys - it certainly put me on the right track.

PS I found the Card College technique that I wanted to do on the table - its called The Leg Reverse (P.371) and is the same technique as Lorayne.

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Postby daleshrimpton » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:07

since you are sat at a table, and performing formaly in a controled envioroment can you not just have the card reversed from the start?

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Postby .robb. » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:10

Control the card to the top. Down jog it. Tilt your wrist and hand up, back of hand facing specs. You are not concealing anything yet, just conditioning for the second flip of the deck. Flip the deck over end for end. Fan deck to show cards well mixed. Sloppily close fan. Flip the deck over end for end sans selected card and with the same wrist and hand positioning as the first flip. Square deck up neatly. Card is now face up on the bottom of the face down deck.

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Postby philipksmith » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:12

Actually, you're right. Lateral thinking always the best approach!

It means I would have to either start with this effect, or bring out the deck after another effect, but that isn't a major problem.

Still, on the upside, I just spent a pleasant evening working through the problem.

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Postby grant_m23 » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:28

Not sure if this will work in the context of what you need, but been playing around with this (not sure if it already has a name?)...

Hold deck in left hand and DL. Transfer the DL to the left hand as you transfer the deck to the right. Spin the DL face up in your left hand, drawing attention to the card. Under the cover of misdirection, perform the action of a bottom change, but instead leave the lowest card on the bottom of the deck, as you drop the deck on the table. You're now left with the reversed card in place, and all you have to do is close-out the reason for having the remaining card in your left hand (and lose it in the deck - or anything that fits in with the routine)

Hope this helps in some way!

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Postby Jordan C » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:28

Misdirection as you do a 51 card flip in your hands as you appear to be squaring up. One of the first slights on Ammars Card Miracles. :)

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Postby kolm » Dec 22nd, '10, 00:30

philipksmith wrote:I played around with the palming idea and came up with this.

Deck face up in a concealed Biddle grip which masks the face up card. Take the card into palm. Slide the deck away from Biddle with the other hand while also rotating it and place on top of the palmed card. So I am turning the whole deck rather than just the palmed card.

That's what I was sort of going for, looks like you just found a slightly neater way and explained it much better than me :)

But yes, starting with the card reversed also works :p

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Postby Paul Gordon » Dec 22nd, '10, 07:14

Hi Philip, feel free to phone me and I'll give you a killer tip. Paul Gordon

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Postby SpareJoker » Dec 22nd, '10, 10:59

My way to solve the problem would be to preceed the trick with another one that ends with a card reversed on the bottom (e.g. 'Ultimate Fusion' Darwin Ortiz).

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