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Tomo wrote:Another day, another ill thought out piece of dubious "wisdom", too easily shot down and clearly not borne of experience, followed by a none too subtle attempt to fish for information.

...and bingo was his name oh!

kolm wrote:Hello Craig

Airamas, surely.

Or should that be spelt backwards?

jdmagic357 wrote:

daleshrimpton wrote:You have to hide the centre if you do a tear,so that doesnt realy matter.

Yes, but not until you actually tear. When you start your clean. Not true of a billet switch.

And the moment you need to conceal the centre is immediately after you've torn the paper - which is when all eyes will be on your hands.

With a billet switch, the paper is - apparently - kept in sight the whole time, and is merely being passed from point A to point B. To give it to a third party for safe keeping, for example.

At that point, there's no indication that anything has necessarily begun.

Tear and burn the billet, and you're very definitely doing something with it.

Pete

jdmagic357 wrote:Cold reading won't tell you the exact picture someone drew. But for those who want some free resources for cold reading here are but a few,

http://www.lulu.com/product/ebook/learn ... d/14358013

http://www.wikihow.com/Cold-Read

http://www.suite101.com/content/cold-reading-a35087

No need to buy over priced ebooks. Enjoy.

Now that wasnt very nice. You pay for the hard work and clever thinking that has been put into the product. You pay to thank the author for releasing his work to you so you too can learn from it.

themagicwand is a highly experienced full-time professional who knows what he is talking about. I use several of his ideas in my own professional work. Paul deserves some respect.

never mind why are you tearing it?
why are you burning it?

If all you are going to do is tear and burn it up, then why have they bothered writing it down.

'please write something on this piece of paper, so i can tear it up and burn it, now we're you thinking of the number 7?'

I shuddered a little at JD's mention of "the sitter" in his opening post. I do hope he isn't using the centre tear during a reading. It is fine for entertainment purposes if you are doing a show or entertaining friends but fraudulent techniques should NEVER be used during a reading. You are supposed to be doing a READING not a bloody magic show.

If you really want to burn the paper that is fine but don't have ANY excuse. Just do the bloody thing and be done with it. Magicians always think they have to have a justification or reason for doing something when it is completely unnecessary.

Just burn the damn thing and shut up about it. Let the audience worry about why you are burning it. You have enough to worry about.

Well said! People tend to create problems that don't even exist! can i do this and why am i doing that.

Stephen Ward wrote:themagicwand is a highly experienced full-time professional who knows what he is talking about. I use several of his ideas in my own professional work. Paul deserves some respect.

Hear hear!
Anyone who offhandedly dismisses Mr V's work like that is the one missing out. Perhaps they don't deserve to get their hands on it.

jdmagic357 wrote:No need to buy over priced ebooks. Enjoy.

Paul's book is severely under priced for the information it contains. I can't say I've found much use for the centre tear. When I've seen others use it, it has had attention drawn to it badly with performers trying to justify the tear. I think it may have been one of the Osterlind books on magic theory which discussed this problem in depth. I've seen the occasional bizarre routine where it has fitted into a story, but on the whole a straight forward billet switch will fulfil most roles.

mark lewis wrote:I shuddered a little at JD's mention of "the sitter" in his opening post. I do hope he isn't using the centre tear during a reading. It is fine for entertainment purposes if you are doing a show or entertaining friends but fraudulent techniques should NEVER be used during a reading. You are supposed to be doing a READING not a bloody magic show.

I remember someone else on the board retelling a story of a psychic they visited who asked them to draw around their hand. They were then asked to write something in the middle before the psychic performed a centre tear as part of the reading.

Jobasha wrote:I remember someone else on the board retelling a story of a psychic they visited who asked them to draw around their hand. They were then asked to write something in the middle before the psychic performed a centre tear as part of the reading.

Nice presentational idea for a palm reading. Thanks for posting.

It is the sign of the amateur to use trickery like this in a reading. And it is completely unnecessary. If you use clipboards, billets or any jiggery pokery it means you are a complete incompetent.
The best way to read a palm is to use genuine palmistry. Far more impressive. I suggest studying the works of Richard Webster.

As for the centre tear I am quite expert in it's use but would never dream of doing it in a reading. For entertainment purposes however it is a very strong piece of mentalism and you can get great reaction from it.

The best method of doing the actual tear is the Al Koran method. The difficulty lies in actually reading the billet. However there are very good methods available, including my own.

I love how the "experts" think they can tell others what's right for them, and the audiences the play for, without even knowing who the performer is.

(Shakes head.) I'll say it again. THERE ARE NO STEAD FAST RULES and if there are, they are meant to be broken.

Dunno about 'experts' but as most of the comments are from succesful working profesionals or semi professionals, I reckon they might know a thing or two of worth.

jdmagic357 wrote:I love how the "experts" think they can tell others what's right for them

Isn't that exactly what you're doing?

jdmagic357 wrote:THERE ARE NO STEAD FAST RULES and if there are, they are meant to be broken