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Hey everyone long time no see here for a bit of advice really with the doble lift i just can not get the bloody thing right.

Any help would be great.

Practice.

From which source are you trying to learn?

Alec

Which DL are you learning?

I have a breack under two cards and lift from the corner but they always slip apart

funnyman50 wrote:I have a breack under two cards and lift from the corner but they always slip apart

Oh!

You are literally just trying to lift two cards? You should buy some books, watch different methods and see which suits you best.

There Is a lot more to it than just lifting two cards.

Alec

I find a strike double works best for me and looks reasonably natural. Plus the long edge of the cards is in contact with the deck as you turn over, keeping the double in check.

I've made my own variation of the Blaine DL. As long as they don't see the get ready (which is exactly the same as any other dl) then the whole thing is inperceivable. It might be a bit flashy, but brilliantly simple.

And as Alec said, it is a lot more than just lifting two cards...

Tjecx

This from Al Schneider - http://www.omenquest.com/wmcezine/i003/f3/aaab.htm, and lots of practice.
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Bruce

Forget trying to perfect it and move on to perfect a more useful move.

Whats more useful than a DL ?

Forces, controls, false shuffles. I'm not saying it's a useless move. Is it just me though or do people especially beginners get so hung up on learning a 'perfect DL' and the same with trying to learn an 'invisible pass' too? Everyone is different but I can't say that there's a single DL in the magic I perform while working so clearly it's not that much of an important sleight, at least to me.

I'd just say to maybe keep learning rather then trying so hard with this one, maybe keep practicing it on and off, and by doing that it'll improve on it's own, just don't get so caught up. There are much more useful sleights out there that are in my opinion worth the time some people put into things like this.

Good post mate.

For me the DL is a very important as nearly every trick i do needs a dl at some point, Forces are also very important i agree but as for meat and potato basic skills a injog and cut or overhand to top or bottom control is alot easier to learn than a convincing and smooth dl.

I agree about the pass though ive yet to need that

I think that as you progress with magic more you'll find you'll either use it less or you'll find alternatives or other ways that are better to get around using it.

If you want one good reason for not making it an important sleight in your arsonal just think. Before you knew anything about magic, what do you think your main idea of a card sleight was? I'm willing to bet it was a DL, and not only that, it's probably the first thing you really attempted. I'd say that in the world of non magicians, it's probably the best known sleight there is.

Another beef I have with it is when it's used as follows, which is a large percentage of the time. You turn over the top card to show (it's really a double). You then want to place it on the table or hand it out but face down, so you turn it face down again on top of the deck flush with the rest or the cards before handing it out. Why? If you wasn't a magician and you wanted to do the exact same thing, hand a card out face down that is face up, you'd just take it and turn it in mid air. There wouldn't be any of this turning it over on top of the deck. Combine this with the previous issue and just imagin what a spectator might think.

Of course this is not always the case but I'd say it's best to assume your audiance isn't brain dead and credit them with some inteligence. Only a fool would think they're smarter than everyone they perform to.

Anyway getting back to the DL, by all means learn it, but like I said, don't give it all of your attention. It's obviously got it's uses because it's as old as the hills.

Good point mate ! That whole post made alote of sense !

I cant think of a way to do the same job without doing a dl ?

Even a good top ch**** needs the card to come back to the pack for a second.

My journey must continue young grasshopper

Cheers mate thats made me think differently now