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Yes,
sussed this one now, its an update of the old Coin to breast Jacket pocket but without the use of a hanky for cover.
See J B Bobo New Modern Coin Magic book for the coin to breast Jacket pocket routine.
Its nothing new, the principle is 300 + years old.
The handling is cleaner and the effect stronger but its an old coin vanish at the end of the day.

i have to say that you are close, but no-where near.

Even so, please do not publicly post and explanations which might give away the secret of any trick (whether its the topic or not) just by principle.


sry havnt been on 4 ages every1. been a bit busy

www.soundclick.com/freeky

thats me who set it up and is writing on te front page (also, both the songs on there so far are mine).

Hi,
its a spot on description but without the hanky for cover. I have seen the Revolution video and its nothing new. I again refer you to J B Bobo modern coin Magic. This effect has been around as long as money itself.
Well not quite but nearly.
And again, I have exposed nothing.............everybody on this site is concerned with exposure, if you all got together then the Masked Magician would run for his life.
Now there's an idea!!

magicands wrote:And again, I have exposed nothing.............

Agreed, just a helpful pointer to save people from unnecessarily spending money on something they may already have. We can get overprotective sometimes I think, but as long as no actual methods are described we should be free to discuss alternative sources.

Thank you.
Common sense does exist in here then, I was beginning to get worried. Surely the only people who bother to trawl through this site have a genuine interest in the art and are not merely looking to find out secrets?
Otherwise they would all be down the Library emptying the hobbies and pastimes shelves.
Moderation with descriptions is fine and I accept this fully as apro Magician but cloak and dagger secrecey is nonsense and I am pleased that as an administrator you have recognised this fact.

magicands wrote:Moderation with descriptions is fine and I accept this fully as apro Magician but cloak and dagger secrecey is nonsense and I am pleased that as an administrator you have recognised this fact.

i agree, but only saying... k?

magicands wrote:Surely the only people who bother to trawl through this site have a genuine interest in the art and are not merely looking to find out secrets?

If only that were true. If you have seen an attitude here that implies that we are obsessed with exposure it is probably only because you have happened on the forum in a time when we have an unusually large number of secret hunters around which tends to get our backs up a little and make us worry about giving too much away accidentally.

magicands wrote:I am pleased that as an administrator you have recognised this fact.

It's not a matter of recognising anything though, we have been very consistent in the way we have moderated this forum since it's inception and you will find if you look through some of the threads that only direct exposure gets treated as such.

magicands wrote: its an update of the old Coin to breast Jacket pocket but without the use of a hanky for cover.

This is the bit that people who are looking for secrets will pick out and, when they look at the video of it, they might think about something like this. Also, other people may see this and some method of doing it which is devised (which may be similar) may be spread around, thus de-valuating the Sleight sold by Ellusionist and, therefore breaching copyright.

Just a general warning to anyone not to suggest anything which can help others to work it out. if they work it out, thats fine, but just dont spread it coz thats what its like when you tell a specator who asks 'how do you do that!?!?!' how to do the trick and it undervalues the trick and the quality of the trick(s) you perform to them.


if you had any hard feelings, hope that you wont have any anymore, coz ... well.... you know

This is the bit that people who are looking for secrets will pick out

But they won't be able to do anything about it unless they own a reference to this trick anyway, in which case they are likely to be magicians, from whom we don't need to hide secrets because they know them.

thus de-valuating the Sleight sold by Ellusionist and, therefore breaching copyright.

Since the gist of this thread has been that the Ellusionist sleight is just a remarketing of one published decades ago in a very popular reference book, and which had, in all probability been around for a very long time before that I don't think you need to worry too much about that.

As an interesting aside, a lot of the Ellusionist stuff has been around for a very long time and is just being sold under a different name to take advantage of the influx of people wanting to learn street magic but with no previous knowledge. They do this very well, and I am sure many people have become passable street magicians through the ellusionist range, but have vrey little depth or bredth of knowledge in general.
note that this is not a criticism of ellusionist, they provide exactly what their customers want, even if it is not what we may think they actually need

nickj wrote:
As an interesting aside, a lot of the Ellusionist stuff has been around for a very long time and is just being sold under a different name to take advantage of the influx of people wanting to learn street magic but with no previous knowledge.

Gotta agree with NickJ, very good marketing. Bit of a pain that the video will only work on one PC once installed (can see the piracy side of it though), and if you need to re-install if your PC packs up theres a extra charge.

Trick itself is ok, I havent had a good go at it yet, but find my body position a bit un-natrual. Anyone else feel the same, or is it just my prop forward frame??

cheers
Rob

KaRcop wrote:

magicands wrote: Coin to breast Jacket pocket but without the use of a hanky for cover.

If you ask me that would tell me alot about the trick. But as i said b4. Im just saying it as a general rule not to leave hints which can be figured out in our posts.


As 4 the guy who posted about the position, if you just generally find a position which seems natural for you personally and then work out the angles 2 perform the vanish, then it should be ok. but if that doesnt help, then i dont know. im 6ft1in and i still find it easy enough to do.

Hey, i don't know if this is 'revealing' the secret, but in the video, Brad has his shirt tucked in...is this anything weird. My guess is no, cause no matter how close i look i cant see anything. Just thought it was a bit weird that how every time he does it, his shirt is tucked in. Heh, flame me if i did something wrong, but im new to these forums.

Thx for answers, if any.

This is the bit that people who are looking for secrets will pick out and, when they look at the video of it, they might think about something like this. Also, other people may see this and some method of doing it which is devised (which may be similar) may be spread around, thus de-valuating the Sleight sold by Ellusionist and, therefore breaching copyright

No the trick is not copyright, its the video they made thats copyright, the trick they propbly just stole from some old book like most of there tricks.

Plus most experienced magicians i know can learn a trick from looking at the demo anyway.

But my point here is he only said "its similar to blah blah" so what most tricks are similar.

My personal opinion on ellusionist is never buy from them, good teacher, but stolen tricks.

Like i challenge you to buy all there ninja and crash course stuff or just buy all there stuff then read "The Royal Road To Card Magic" 90% of there tricks you will find in that book.

Just this time you have a american with make up teaching it you on a video, oh dont forget all the exaduration.


Ben

Hey, just my opinion on that last post. I think that you should stop bad mouthing Ellusionist.com. If you're only talking about their teaching DVD's, that's the sole purpose of them selling them...TO TEACH TRICKS. Do they claim, to teach, 'New, Ellusionist.com created tricks'? No. They just teach the tricks flat out. I have bought Ellusionist.com's products, and they're by far some of the best stuff i have ever seen. I'm talking about stuff like the Viper Decks. I don't buy the DVD's cause I figure out how they do them just by watching the previews. I'm just that type of person (oh yeah, BTW, if you want a good quality deck of cards..get vipers). But you can't say that they're bad. I personally think Ellusionist is excellent when it comes to teaching methods, sleights and all the other stuff they do. If you don't appreciate the things they are doing for those interested in Street Magic, maybe you should reconsider all the stuff they create. Like the M5 Voodoo system. If you can make me something like that by yourself, ill gladly buy things from you off Ebay.
Give the dudes a break.
*EDIT* - How much does this "The Royal Road To Card Magic" cost? I know it HAS to be cheaper than the DVD's but still, think about it. What's easier to understand? A DVD with a person telling you ins and outs of a trick or a book that just puts it in words, no examples, just words and crummy pictures. Another question: Can you get camera angles in books?

Point Proven?

(Oh yeah,

Just this time you have a american with make up teaching it you on a video, oh dont forget all the exaduration.

Is this supposed to be a racial comment? I'm Australian, and im sure i can think up a lot better stuff about 'Poms'...)

im sure i can think up a lot better stuff about 'Poms'

No doubt you can but anything along those lines, except in an obviously comedic sense, wouldn't be permitted here. Ben has probably not used the most approriate words so perhaps he would like to delete the words 'stolen' to be on the safe side? Perhaps 'taken' might convey the same thing but be less risky?