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Just to be picky, it's spelt Schumacher! lol

Well... XCM to me is purely an art form. Although this place is a place of magic, I feel that XCM can also be related back to magic if used in the right context. e.g. In my video, the molecule II cut is a false cut and the molecule II Ace Production can be used in conjunction with other tricks such as the Asher Twist (which can be performed in real life really well in good angles!!).

I'm more of a magician myself, but XCM is a hobby and art form to me that I enjoy doing. What's special about XCM is not how it impresses others but also the thrill of doing it yourself!

I do magic a lot... In fact, I do it everyday in school. I even have a magic Friday where I do magic for my form every Friday!! Excellent!

StEvEbO!

Just extra point that Kati made me realise.

I do alot of charliers which to be honest, I don't find it too impressive myself. However, doing the Charlier Showcase and Charlier Flipback combos are instant impressers to laymen. They absolutely love them!

StEvEbO!

stevebo wrote:Just to be picky, it's spelt Schumacher! lol

Well... XCM to me is purely an art form. Although this place is a place of magic, I feel that XCM can also be related back to magic if used in the right context. e.g. In my video, the molecule II cut is a false cut and the molecule II Ace Production can be used in conjunction with other tricks such as the Asher Twist (which can be performed in real life really well in good angles!!).

I'm more of a magician myself, but XCM is a hobby and art form to me that I enjoy doing. What's special about XCM is not how it impresses others but also the thrill of doing it yourself!

I do magic a lot... In fact, I do it everyday in school. I even have a magic Friday where I do magic for my form eery Friday!! Excellent!

StEvEbO!

I would say that XCM is a branch of magic, because even though it is not magic, I wonder how many lay people can do XCM because a lay person is someone that doesn't do magic, not XCM

ace of kev wrote:
I would say that XCM is a branch of magic, because even though it is not magic, I wonder how many lay people can do XCM because a lay person is someone that doesn't do magic, not XCM

a layperson is not someone who doesnt do magic..(from dictionary.co.uk)layman (NOT TRAINED)

noun {C} (ALSO layperson)

someone who is not trained in or does not have a detailed knowledge of a particular subject

so just because laypeople cant do it then its magic?
so because i cant speak russian does that mean that russian is magic?

No, I didn't mean it in that way lol.

I'm not saying that XCM is magic, but I wonder how many people that can't do magic can do XCM. I can get your point Mog, and I know it is not magic, but its cool.

And I liked your bit about Russian being magic. That made me laugh

I don't see why this has to be debated. If you don't wanna discuss XCM then read another forum. Stevebo has put alot of time and effort into learning this stuff and has been generous enough to share it with us so we should be discussing his video, not whether it belongs here and whether he should've bothered making it in the first place.

Stevebo, i thought it was fantastic, I love fooling people with magic tricks that they can't understand but for my own satisfaction I would love to have that kind of ability to control cards. Let these people who don't appreciate skill stick to mentalism (oooh, controversy).

I liked what Stevebo has done here.

I wouldnt define XCM as a magic form, although it can be used to produce cards etc etc...

I would define it as an art form ... and it is a performing art, as is magic, as is drama, dancing etc etc .... i have more than enough respect for people who do XCM and I'm looking into it myself.

I cant see why this debate has flared up so much. Mog appears to be the instigator .... not jelous of stevebo's card skills are you mog?

Rob

magic_evmeister wrote:Let these people who don't appreciate skill stick to mentalism

So those who do appreciate skill don't do mentalism? I have a feeling that Derren Brown, Luke Jermay, Marc Paul, Kenton Knepper etc would disagree with you.

SirRawlins wrote:not jelous of stevebo's card skills are you mog?

That was most unworthy Rob. If you knew Mog and his skills more you wouldn't say that kind of thing. The simple point being made was that flourishes etc are good and skilful but are not automatically magic. If someone wants to see magic, you don't do fancy riffles etc and if they want to see flourishes you don’t do card tricks. Each performer will find a balance between the two to suit their own style and the audiences they entertain.

Or they could just concentrate on Rope, Coins, Sponge Ball magic etc instead.

I agree. I would not say XCM is magic, but It is exellent and exciting. If flourishes were not magic, then why would DVDs and Books with Flourishes or about Flourishes be sold in Magic Shops, Sites etc. ?

I'm completly aware of Mog's skills with cards mandrake, i always enjoy watching his videos.

However i do think that on this occasion his comments are unconstructive, i would have expected alot more from someone with moderator status. The whole concpet behind talk magic is to be a supportive community.

Refering to Stevebo's efforts as a:-

the_mog wrote:waste of time and energy.

I feel is a little off ... I'm sure plenty of other members would agree.

Rob

So why didn't you say that instead of the sarcasm you posted? It certainly wasn't a 'supportive' remark by any standards. When I refer to Mog's skills I mean those he has displayed here on TM for well over 2 years, not just those seen in the last few months.

And, if you're going to quote people, please don’t just select a few words out of context - Mog's phrase was

from a magic point of view this is a waste of time and energy. to me the whole point of magic is for things to happen "magically" (from a specs view of course)

which puts the whole thing into a proper perspective and shows it as a personal opinion related to magic versus flourishes.

I dont want to get into an arguement with you over it, Mandrake ... i've made my point, make of it what you will.

Rob

Noted. That remark speaks volumes to me.

Sorry mandrake ... i didnt mean to offend atall, I'm just a bit of a stubborn chap. The last remark of mine was a little blunt.

Rob

SirRawlins wrote:However i do think that on this occasion his comments are unconstructive, i would have expected alot more from someone with moderator status. The whole concpet behind talk magic is to be a supportive community.

Refering to Stevebo's efforts as a:-

the_mog wrote:waste of time and energy.

I feel is a little off ... I'm sure plenty of other members would agree.

Rob

i actually stopped reading this thread because i thought i had made my views clear about this but i feel i have to reply to this.

when a person asks for comments to be made then they surely should expect good and bad and as such i posted my honest opinion. perhaps in future when anyone asks for opinions to be made then they should ask only for good opinions.

Also i am in no way jealous of the skills used for XCM why would i be? i have no interest in doing it so why would i be jealous? as i stated in my earlier post i feel its time that could be better spent elsewhere.

As for me being the instigator of the flare up then as stated above "if you dont want comments made then dont ask!"

If you don't wanna discuss XCM then read another forum

well to this i'd say if you DO wanna discuss it then why not do it on a forum that deals with it? superhandz.com i believe is one such forum