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Hi guys

I find that when im table hopping and i finish using a deck to move onto something else i just drop the deck into my pocket this then means cards all over the place in my pocket and they mix with other things

how does anyone sort this out, do you just simply put them back into the packet, or would anyone reccomend buying the multi pocket waist coat which i believe has over 50 pockets


Jags

I know where each and every item is, and I simply return it to the place it should be. If it needs a re-set I try in most cases to do the re-set in front of the specs before replacing it in my pocket. As long as you have a place for everything and you return it to that place, there should be no issues.

Do they not come in a box up your way? Odd.

you might try puting them in the ticket pocket in your jacket.

i just drop the deck into my pocket this then means cards all over the place in my pocket

There are two marvelous inventions that will help with this.

a) The card case. It's just a little bigger than a deck of cards, and in the format of a box. You'll find the cards sit inside quite snuggly and the case will from stop them from flailing about. I'll do a review if you like.

b) The Japanese Elasticated Transmorphing Device. (although at a push, a rubber band would work just as well). Most people know that these things can actually be used for magic tricks, but how many people know they can also be used for keeping things together? Not many I bet

And what's more, the Japanese Elasticated Transmorphing Device can be used for several effects with the deck - I think that Sankey has some 'animated deck' tricks on TVBOJS vol.3 and Doug Conn's Tricks of my Trade has Rubber Revelation (though I don't know how good it is).

Kati

yea i'll guess i have to be more organised ie knowing where to put everything


Jags

when i was doing table hopping i used to use a training sporen, thats a leather b.u.m bag worn round the front.
it can be hard to get the realy big ones in the uk, but i think cards for magic and others do an overpriced performers pouch which is prety good, my advice though is to go to one of thoughs suitcase / handbag shops and ask they can usualy order one in for you.

the main compartment is ideal for ditching things like when you do hopping halfs or to ditch a spare coin , the second section is ideal for two packs of cards and makes deck swtching easy.
the waist band makes an ideal servant for thoughs etra sponge balls and jumbo coins and often resets can be done in the pouch as you find your next trick, most even have azipped change purse already built in so you don't spend your valuable coin uniques.

jagsmagic wrote:yea i'll guess i have to be more organised ie knowing where to put everything

This is the key to good routining; not only do you know you're tricks inside out and back to front (with the appropriate patter and presentations) and in which order you will perform them but you also know what you're going to do in between each effect. If that means putting the cards back in their case, and then into your inner left jacket pocket then that should all be practised and rehearsed.

GoldFish wrote:

jagsmagic wrote:yea i'll guess i have to be more organised ie knowing where to put everything

This is the key to good routining; not only do you know you're tricks inside out and back to front (with the appropriate patter and presentations) and in which order you will perform them but you also know what you're going to do in between each effect. If that means putting the cards back in their case, and then into your inner left jacket pocket then that should all be practised and rehearsed.

I couldn't agree more. It isn't enough to throw together a number of effects and call it a routine. Pocket management is a critical aspect of your performance, and forms part of the overall flow from one effect to another.

If you really need to ditch the deck, why not put it down on the table and wait for an opportunity to clean up during the next effect. For example if you hand out something for examination, you can clean up while the audience is otherwise engaged. This also gives you a good reason to put a hand into your pocket...

Another sign of the difference between someone who does magic and someone who is a magician I guess.

I see quite a few 'magicians' and the links and flow are tenuous at best and non-existent as the norm!

The good bit is that they usually spend five minutes in a fifteen routine rummaging through pockets, etc. trying to locate the required trick. What then seems to happen is that whatever trick they pull out becomes the 'next' trick.

Bottom lime - know your routine and have the stuff lined up to facilitate the flow. Know where it lives and put it back afterwards. I have learnt this and can find the next tricks without appearing to think of it. This flow adds to the illusion and becuase there is a tension being created (I hope) leads me to the final kicker and departure to applause not a call for anyone with psychiatry skills.

HTH

Vic

Vic,

Spot on. All my effects are in my jacket pockets, and I know which effect is in which pocket. The deck of cards is always in that strange little inside pocket close to your left hand trouser pocket. I don't know what its called but I never buy a jacket if it isn't there.

The two wallets with Card Warp and other pocket tricks are in my left jacket pocket along with one ESP deck and Wonder Bat. In my right pocket I have some other packet tricks and a second ESP deck as well as my coin effects in the little coin pockets.

In my right top inside pocket I have a wallet and pen thro note and in my left inside top pocket I have my cigars

When I go out I know where everything is, and I can happily do a couple of hours or more in the pub. Working tables are dead easy, I know where everything is.

Your cards come out of the pack and you do your tricks, 1, 2 or 10, it doesn't matter. Put them back in the case and put it in your usual place.

YOU will go wrong if you don't put things back where they came from. Its a routine to get into Believe me

cool guys

thanks

i just needed that extra bit of info. i adapted what everyone said about learning which item is in what pockets and then let it go with the flow

This is what i did the other night and it all worked well, prior to this i would just leave things in my pockets, it used to work but not as well i would have like it to.

but now it works as second nature

cheers for the info guys


Jags

vic_vdb wrote:Another sign of the difference between someone who does magic and someone who is a magician I guess.

I see quite a few 'magicians' and the links and flow are tenuous at best and non-existent as the norm!

The good bit is that they usually spend five minutes in a fifteen routine rummaging through pockets, etc. trying to locate the required trick. What then seems to happen is that whatever trick they pull out becomes the 'next' trick.

Bottom lime - know your routine and have the stuff lined up to facilitate the flow. Know where it lives and put it back afterwards. I have learnt this and can find the next tricks without appearing to think of it. This flow adds to the illusion and becuase there is a tension being created (I hope) leads me to the final kicker and departure to applause not a call for anyone with psychiatry skills.

HTH

Vic

Thanks for that advice Vic. That will help me when I start to perform for money

Bit late to enter the conversation. A tip that I got from Joshua Jay's DVD he suggests using a bit of cardboard to separate items in his jacket pocket.

I have to say that I have not tried this but it seems that it may be adaptable to what you want.

I hope that this helps.

It always amazes me when people say that they can remember all of the moves to dozens of routines and tricks, and, remember all of the right sequencing, and they can't remember where 8 to 10 items are in their pockets.