Street Magic - Lisence?

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Postby Flash » Apr 9th, '06, 10:55



OK, just been having a chat with my Dad who fought the law with me (and has a better understanding). He agrees that you are performing and according to the letter of the law this would make you licenceable (incidentally even rehearsing music in front of an audience requires a licence since Nov 2005). :roll:

However it really is all very confused in the UK at the moment because the new law is very muddled and ill concieved. Also it is still in its infancy so it is currently open to interpretation by the various licencing authorities, so you'll probably get away with it.

I also don't think that this question is confined to matters of the street, technically a restaurant/pub would probably need a licence to have entertainment (eg. a magician), so where does this leave you if you're 'rehearsing' a trick for your mates down the pub?

As you can see it's pretty ridiculous, but then so's the Government's whole idea of 'Regulated Entertainment' (as experts have been trying to tell them for the last couple of years).

The long and the short of it is this imho;
If you're really concerned how this affects you then ask your local authorites, but remember although it's no defence in the eyes of the law ignorance can be bliss and by asking the authorities you're also asking them to make a judgement that they may not even have considered making. :?

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Postby GaMeR » Apr 9th, '06, 11:17

I don't think anyone can lock you down for performing magic. You don't force anything to anyone. Do I need a license to show a trick to my friend in the street?? I don't think so.

Mr. Officer, that guy lost my card from the deck; and it appeared in his pocket. Arrest him please; I don't know how he did that maybe you'll get it..


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Postby leighton » Apr 9th, '06, 11:21

If you do get arrested, just use hypnosis or a lock pick to get free! hahaha
Just a sugestion

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Postby Flash » Apr 9th, '06, 11:25

Hi Gamer,

Actually in this country they can! It's a performance and the government has just brought in a law that says that all performance requires a licence.. Performing without a licence can land you with a hefty fine/prison term (although this hasn't yet happened to anyone to my knowledge) Stupid isn't it!?! :roll:

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Postby ian69 » Apr 9th, '06, 11:42

It isn't the police you need to worry about. If you're not causing a nuisance they won't bother you. Don't cause a crowd to block the highway and you should be fine.

However you DO need to worry about council officers. They hold the licensing powers now and can fine you. They patrol "pitch" streets and can issue you a penalty notice. And being in civilian clothes you won't see them coming.

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Postby Sky321 » Apr 9th, '06, 12:19

if i want to walk around doing street magic i will and i am not going to bother with no license

So what the law says you need a license, the law says a lot of things but not many people stick to it

If they stop you it will just show how board and pathetic they really are when there are real things going on out there

license what license? :lol:

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Postby cheekyzombie » Apr 9th, '06, 16:23

If you take no cash you're ok. If you keep on the move you can't really be accused of busking { areas are designated by local council}.I don't see any problem you're just showing passers by tricks and filming. Enjoy!
ps Ecko i bet all the punters on you're video will look like Betty Page! lol

Mmm Betty Page...

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Postby cheekyzombie » Apr 9th, '06, 16:25

Go Mr Sky!

Licence we don't need no stinkin' licence!

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Postby ace of kev » Apr 9th, '06, 16:39

I was just wondering if you needed one, I was going to do it anyway. And if the Poile stopped me, I would just have to blow them away :wink:

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Postby Flash » Apr 9th, '06, 16:55

cheekyzombie wrote:If you take no cash you're ok.


Unfortunately not true... It's performance that is licenced. However I'm of the school of do it until forced to stop... so with this in mind:

I haven't busked since before the new law came in (November) due to other gigs/commitments etc, but the early part of this week has now become magically free and if I can I shall return to my old familiar pitch in Ipswich Town Center and see if I get hassled by the authorities.

Then I can report back to you my findings...

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Postby Scotty-Watson » Apr 9th, '06, 16:55

This is a tricky one... If you are performing in the sense that you are not taking money then no you do not need a license, this also applies if you have a bucket or hat sitting on the ground for people to toss money into. This is because you are technically busking, and in the UK there are no laws against busking... The police can however come along and ask you to move along which you have to do otherwise you could be classed as being a public nusense or breaching the peace.

If however you are "can shaking" which basically means you are physically holding a hat asking people for money then yes you will need a permit or a street performers license as it is called down my way. If you contact your local coucil for this sort of thing they will be able to help you.

If you are simply looking to perfrom David Blaine type stuff where you walk up perform and then leave again then just go for it. Its a great way to practice, and provided you are sensible about it you should have no problems from the police or coucil.

Things to avoid doing are standing near doorways of shops... They don't like and will probably phone the police about you. Hospitals and Doctors clinics etc... are probably not the best of places either, but I am sure you already new that. :roll:

So in answer to your question... Yes and No! If you are busking then no, if you are performing and collecting then Yes. Look up busking laws on the internet and you will find more information on it!

Hope this helps

P.S. I had a quick look under this law you are refering to that was brought in on November Flashy and couldn't find anything could you please expand on this for us???

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Postby Flash » Apr 9th, '06, 16:58

Scotty-Watson wrote:Things to avoid doing are standing near doorways of shops... They don't like and will probably phone the police about you.


Nice advice Scotty, in my experience quite alot of them don't mind if you ask first though...

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Postby Sky321 » Apr 9th, '06, 17:39

So when you do need a license is this something you have to pay for or is it free?

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Postby Flash » Apr 9th, '06, 17:44

Sky321 wrote:So when you do need a license is this something you have to pay for or is it free?


If we are talking about the new performance licence or a TENS (Temporary Events Notice) then they are both paid for. However I don't know about the old style street licence from an individual council as I've never brought one!

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Postby cheekyzombie » Apr 9th, '06, 17:54

You only need a few punters so just go somewhere less busy, I wouldn't stand on a busy street or like in front of a shop.
ps Scotty council bylaws control busking.
pps money for street magic? I thought it used to be the new punk rock!

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