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What book has this magic trick in it and Many more routines for it.

J.B bobo has great tricks for beginners but i havn't seen any Vanish and reproduce so which book has this?

Thx

Of what Cards, coins, sponge balls etc

agreed! you need to be more specific about what you need

Judging by what I read JJ means coins, as he refered to JB.Bobo,

Try Jay Sankey's Revelutionary Coin Magic he does some real good coin slights on that DVD

Iv'e talked to a Friend and he said http://www.penguinmagic.com/product.php?ID=86 This is well worth the price.

Its a gimmick but is it worth it? my mate said it really gets the reactions

a classic of magic that is still used today. You also have the Raven X2

What you have that with it? like a book or something

All Ravens come with the device and an instruction sheet with some routines. There is also a Raven DVD with more routines. The Raven X2 costs more but it does a bit more.

Oh Oh please sir my go now! [leighton puts his hand up like a good boy]

I have the Ravenx2 and it is very good if you are prepared to put the time in to practice infront of a mirror for a long while. I get fantastic reactions when I use it to change a £1 coin into a 20p or a £1 coin into a crystal, you can pull off a very nice key bend with loads of practice and showmanship!

Just don't be put off when you open the box, work with it for a while!

But this Raven for £20 does Vanish and reproduce yes?

Raven vanishes coins, it does not produce them. Lots of raven help on talk magic. Do a search and you find stuff.

For small cabaret coin production i use a coin pail but you may want something more simpler at first.

JJ wrote:But this Raven for £20 does Vanish and reproduce yes?

Baby (and I don't mean that in the sensual way), I know of a device that basically does the same thing that will cost you several thousand dollars and yes, many people are using it on a regular basis.

Long story short MAGIC IS FREAK'N EXPENSIVE!

That's why you want to buy BOOKS, apply yourself in the ancient art of READING and in so doing get ten times the material and ability for a fraction of the cost involved buying devices.

That said, I'm going to hit you over the head on another level; You are obviously young and these guys are being merciless in yanking your chain a bit so I'm going to tell you the secret to learning magic the "right way"....

1.) Stay off these forums! When I say this what I mean is, don't be getting into the frow with these guys when it comes to all the cool and nifty stuff. It's ok to be up to day and to learn about who's who, etc. but keep your focus for the next year to two years very limited and very simple.

2.) Don't try to be David Blaine, Criss Angel, Derren Brown, or even David Copperfield -- just deal with being yourself for now.

3.) Don't waste you money on devices that are "new" to the market; the more you stay away from the "trendy" material, the better off you are going to be in the long run.

4.) If you have a spare $150.00 or there about buy the complete TARBELL COURSE IN MAGIC (I'm not certain on price these days but I think that's close... nice thing is, you should be able to buy it one book at a time).

5.) If you don't have that much get the Mark Wilson Course along with a basic set of Cups & Balls, a couple of decks of playing cards, some palming coins, Sponge Balls and Billard Balls -- don't worry about anything NOT in that book for the next 12-18 months (I know 30 year veterans in this business that still use both of these magic courses on a regular basis for research and reference, so don't sell them short just because they're "old").

6.) If you want, get the two Bill Tarr books entitled NOW YOU SEE IT NOW YOU DON'T to help suppliment the two above courses. I recommend this ONLY because Bill has great illustrations and makes some of the harder to understand stuff in the older books easier to learn. You may also want to invest into the Jeff McBride Manipulation Video series -- one of the best resources for those new to magic wanting to learn solid slight-of-hand techniques.

7.) If your parents will help you do so, take some classes in basic Jazz Dance and get involved in your local theater as an actor. Jazz will teach you how to be a bit more graceful in your movement and understand better, the art of choreographing every move you make. Working in theater, even the local free civic groups, will give you stage experiences and an education about what it means to actually work in "show biz" that you would not otherwise have to your advantage. You will also gain the blessing of being a new face guided by the old salts; the veterans of the stage coaching you and helping you identify and overcome your own shortcomings, self-imposed limitations, etc.

Magicians are terrible to state that they are "but actors playing a part" and so very, very (very) few of them ever consider that they've never (never ever) had a single acting experience in their life let alone learning about the stage, the ways of theater and the mind-set of a genuine actor that takes on a role that is as important as that of the conjueror.

Best of luck!

i wrote this a while ago. but here it is AGAIN! listen to us guys, we KNOW what we are talking about

I have noticed in the past and get many emails asking 'how do i start in magic'. This essay started because of an email i received the other day. A new person to magic wanted to be able to perform for friends at parties. This person told me the list they 'had to buy' and i was shocked! it came to £700. So here goes.

1. 'I want to be like Criss Angel' You are yourself (as Craig said in another essay). Don't try to be a carbon copy of someone else, be original and be yourself. You must remember that these famous magicians have a huge budget and years of experience in the business. The companies who book magicians always like to see something different. Being yourself is great and who knows, one day people might want to be the next you!

2. 'I need to spend lots of money in magic shops to start' What a load of rubbish that is. I started with the Royal Road to card magic BOOK, two decks of bicycle cards and some sponge balls. Your local library may have some books to recommend for you. If you want to be modern and have a DVD then try to go for 'Born to Perform' or the 'Royal Road to card magic' DVD set.

3. 'How do i practise the moves' Practise in front of a mirror or film yourself with a video camera. You get a good view of what the audience sees.

4. 'When can i start charging people for my act'. This is a real bug bear of mine. Too many people try to run before they can walk. Anybody can go into a magic shop, buy some tricks and call themselves a magician. Magic is not about tricks, it is about people and how you interact with them. You are an entertainer and need to make sure the audience have a good time. Never advertise your act until you have a full act that has been practised and you are confident with. A bad act could really affect later bookings if word gets round in your area. When you are at a booking you are doing so much more than magic. For example when you work a restaurant you are providing business for the owner, you help distract the customers if the meal is late etc.

5. 'You say don't spend a lot of money on tricks but you do' What you have to remember is that working and professional magicians are buying effects as tools. This is how we earn our money. So don't try to keep up with all the latest trends.

6. 'What tricks should i learn' This depends on the magic you like. I would suggest starting with a few card and coin tricks. These will give you important skills in sleight of hand that will prove invaluable at a later date. Take your time learning the effects and enjoy what you do. There is no rush at all. Slowly work through the book or DVD and don't move on to the next section until you are confident with the last. Can you perform the trick while standing over a table, while talking to people etc. It is not a race to see who can finish the book or DVD first you know!

7. 'I am shy and don't know what to say to people' Practise your patter in front of mirror. Keep on saying it until you can do it in a clear and confident manner.

8. 'Isn't it easier to buy self-working tricks' I don't agree with this at all. Ok it is fine to have a few but too many people depend on them. These kind of tricks teach you nothing about magic. You don't learn any skills with them and it can work out more expensive. If you have good card skills then you can pick up a card book or DVD with say 20 tricks on for the same price as a couple of 'self-workers'.

I know this essay will get some comments and some people may not agree with all issues here. But the overall message is that learning magic need not be expensive and it is fun. Even if you do not end up working in the business you will still have some great tricks to show friends down at the local pub or at school.

The £20 will only take a few weeks with no work at all since its just pocket money and i want this trick to learn quick and to fool my *mum,dad,bro,mates* Can anyone show me a picture of the device or PM me it so i can decide if its my kinda thing , Its not like im going to make it from cardboard

i give up, i really do (bangs head against wall)

Over to you guys and gals