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Struggling with an effect? Any tips (without giving too much away!) you'd like to share?

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Postby Craig Browning » Jun 30th, '06, 23:45



stephenmagic wrote:Craig i am so happy! how nice it is to see two people who agree. All good magicians start at the bottom. I could take you on a spending spree now and spend thousands on lovely props and gadgets, but it does not work like that. Magic is about yourself as much as the tricks. You make the show special by adding your own personality.


:lol: You're just saying that because it's known that I'm no longer a pack rat and into those expensive toys...

:roll: well, not as much as I used to be... there's a few custom pieces I wouldn't mind getting made... or a copy of the Copperfield Spirit Table (just incase you want to send me a really nice Yule present... that would take up my entire apartment :twisted: )

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jun 30th, '06, 23:56

I know what you mean. I want this!

Andino's Hand from Hocus Pocus Magic

http://www.hocus-pocus.com/magicshop/?hn=1


Do you know anything about it?

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Postby card_shark_2006 » Jul 1st, '06, 17:36

stephenmagic wrote:Raven vanishes coins, it does not produce them. Lots of raven help on talk magic. Do a search and you find stuff.

For small cabaret coin production i use a coin pail but you may want something more simpler at first.


The Raven does produce/appear coins. I have it. You can make a coin disappear, then moments later make it re-appear.

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Postby Misanthropy » Jul 1st, '06, 18:20

I mistakingly thought you could use any coin with the raven so I bought one and now feel misled :cry: if you're buying it on a UK site it should come with a UK coin instead of a US one.

Although you can still use 1p and 2p's with it I think that bobo's book modern coin magic is much better value for money as you learn many more effects than the raven is possible of

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 1st, '06, 23:21

card_shark_2006 wrote:
stephenmagic wrote:Raven vanishes coins, it does not produce them. Lots of raven help on talk magic. Do a search and you find stuff.

For small cabaret coin production i use a coin pail but you may want something more simpler at first.


The Raven does produce/appear coins. I have it. You can make a coin disappear, then moments later make it re-appear.


Yes sorry, i got the posts mixed up i was talking about something else, sory about that!

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Postby card_shark_2006 » Jul 2nd, '06, 16:51

lol, kk. You made me think that I had some kind of deformed raven that was the only one that could produce coins, :D lol

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Postby JJ » Jul 2nd, '06, 23:59

This thinng is only £2 and it vanishes anything dollars, coins, etc...


Im not going to be the little boy who vanishes with gimmicks but i just wondering is this good for £2 and shipping will make it £4ish.

http://www.penguinmagic.com/europe/product.php?ID=967

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 3rd, '06, 00:01

it is a nice pull, i have used that as a cabaret effect

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Postby JJ » Jul 3rd, '06, 00:04

My thing is its 1 size and 1 size only would it fit on my thumb?

not thats it super big or super small just curious.

or is there a way you can like mold it with hot water and they say they can check your hands out i think there wrong.

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 3rd, '06, 00:10

sorry, did you mean the TT or the vernet thing

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Postby JJ » Jul 3rd, '06, 00:11

The vernet thing

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 3rd, '06, 00:13

that is fine for anyone as it is on a p**l and is not a TT.

By the way don't reveal anything by saying what it does just say TT :lol:

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Postby bronz » Jul 3rd, '06, 18:36

You'll still have to be able to palm to use that effectively. And the Raven come to that. It's a lot cheaper though so if you really have to have a gimmick by all means get it.

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Postby JJ » Jul 3rd, '06, 18:57

Ya its very cheap 8) and ive heard from a few people its effective ya palming the gimmick i understand 8)

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Postby Stephen Ward » Jul 3rd, '06, 19:46

So, you have purchased the latest effect used by magician X. It costs you hundreds of pounds and does all the work for you. What does that teach you about magic, what great skill have you learnt here?

It seems to me that many young people who start in magic want it all and want it now. They want to do all the flashy magic they see magician X do on his / her TV special. But stop to think for a minute, there is something more powerful than the lastest gimmick. It is called a book!

A good magic book can contain many great effects and often has many new sleights to learn. Ok it won't always tell you how Magician X did his latest effect. However you can learn a lot from a great book.

Try to see some of the old magic books, the Victorian ones contain some stunning magic, routines and techniques that we would never think of using now. This knowledge is in danger of being lost forever because of the younger generations devotion to flashy gadets.

There are many modern magicians producing wonderful books that sometimes get overlooked because the youth of today want instant results. A check in your local library will produce wonderful results, you will find many classic card magic books contains many tricks you can do and with a regular deck of cards.

If you say "books can't give instant results like a gimmick" then you are very wrong. The self-working series of books by Fulves contain a wide variety of magic you can perform very quickly.

Take some time to read about the history of magic, think of it as an art and you will get so much more from it. The great magicians of the past probably started with a good book. So if it is good enough for them it is good enough for you.

Don't like books then try the DVDs. I have seen many card DVDs for all skill levels, some even have self-working effects on them. Just look at the Royal Road to Card Magic DVD boxset. This contains a wealth of information that will help you throughtout your lifetime. The time you have purchased the latest gimmicks you could have purchased this by now.

The same principle applies to coin magic there are great books and DVDs to be found on the subject. The BOBO book really is a classic of coin magic, you will find that many famous names began with this book. It can be heavy going at times but you will gain so much from it. It contains enough material for you to produce some wonderful coin magic and all for a very low price.

PLEASE NOTE: this is a general comment, not aimed at JJ but many new people in magic. :wink:

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