next big thing for magic ?

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Postby Tomo » Dec 8th, '06, 10:31



abraxus wrote:i think Derren Brown is a little too scared to go "huge"...he says in his book he turned down a massive deal with the BBC earlier...

Good for him. Besides, tours earn the real money, which is probably why Robbie Williams says he's in favour of music piracy (it creates fans who will still have to see him live at £35 a go).

Brown and Nyman (that well-known firm of solicitors) will have to come up with a huge amount of new material to fill a long running Saturday night BBC1 slot. Paul Daniels said during his Magic Woods guest slot that when that happens, the quality isn't always there due to the pressure of getting something together in time.

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his the best new thing

Postby ballersunit » Dec 9th, '06, 21:01

david blaine brought a whole new audience to magic he showed to people who thought that magic was all about being on stage and making rabbits appear wrong i mean with out him many magician like my self would not be magician

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Postby Tomo » Dec 9th, '06, 21:59

ballersunit wrote:david blaine brought a whole new audience to magic he showed to people who thought that magic was all about being on stage and making rabbits appear wrong i mean with out him many magician like my self would not be magician

No. He's a gimmick jockey first and foremost, fading to quickly become a very dull stunt man.

Do you know what a gimmick jockey is, baller?

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Postby Markdini » Dec 9th, '06, 22:24

Franky Detori was gimmick jockey he had that jumping of a horse thingy didnt he. Am I right Tomo.


I dont wish to see another Blaine thread in fact i havent much time for the man but yes he did bring magic to a whole new audiance. And we all went and brought strange traverlers didnt we. Then again that just used his name to sell i got more on strength of Paul Harris and Nate thingy.

I think the next big thing will be the stripper deck. What do you think Tomo? :wink:

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Postby ballersunit » Dec 9th, '06, 22:30

No. He's a gimmick jockey first and foremost, fading to quickly become a very dull stunt man.

im not a david blaine fan myself im more with cardini
i still think if he woulld go back to bringing his street videos out
he might become bigger


well his making money being gimmick jockey

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Postby Tomo » Dec 9th, '06, 22:37

Markdini wrote:I think the next big thing will be the stripper deck. What do you think Tomo? :wink:

Whatever you think's good, Moriarity! whatever you think.

(That's my Oddball from Kelly's Heros impression, by the way)

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Postby Tomo » Dec 9th, '06, 22:39

ballersunit wrote:well his making money being gimmick jockey

Why am I seeing your original post as a conclusion rather than a question? :?

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Postby Markdini » Dec 9th, '06, 22:48

I wonder how much he is making? as to people like Burton , Mcbride et al because when people think magician how many say Bruton or Mcbride but they go around the world and sell out vegas dont they? I know its a diffirent style of magic. But to the layman it isnt.

Blaine and Angel arent even the begining of street magic may i venture that street magic as we know it was started by Jeff Sheridan. And Blaine will be remebered more as a stuntman then magician.

I know Burton earns about $10,000 for an hour of close up at private events. I would love to see McBride do close up too I saw that bit he dose on The art of Card Manipulation.

But Blaine is a fading star. I dont know what the next thing in magic is maybe it be a girl maybe it be an effect.

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Postby vdave3000 » Jan 10th, '07, 17:07

Yeah David Blaines class... but the next big thing is Dynamo.. and we all know it lol :D

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Postby seige » Jan 10th, '07, 17:10

vdave3000 wrote:Yeah David Blaines class... but the next big thing is Dynamo.. and we all know it lol :D


No offence Dynamo, but I do hope not... we deserve something a bit more original and fresh

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Postby Mikey.666 » Jan 13th, '07, 11:04

wow. well, i feel that this thread is going off in all directions, and I'm hoping to pull it back together with this post.

well...moving away form magic. in the "clothing and music" scene at the moment (and I'm sure many young-guns like my self will agree, and maybe some of you grandads out there may know it to) is heaily dominated by "emo" music, and clothing. a sick disgusting disease in my opinion. but that is what it is. a trend...which I'm sure in a couple of years...three maximum will surely DIE out. it is the same with magic.

i think that if you approached somebody in the tv business who interested in hiring a magician... and you came along and did a nice sponge ball routine and somebody else came up and did a short ID routine. I'm positive that they would ask the ID person to come back. because that what magic is all about at the moment...fast hard hitting and visiual. to many magicians and older people in the scene will probably disagree and say the sponge balls are the ones that tickle my fancy. well, thats not what the people are interested in. and it is the PEOPLE the COMPANIES that make magic what it is, and comapnies have made magic glam fast and visual for sometime now. but again it is a trend and it will surely die out very soon.

moving on, my mum and dad, when they were young magic wasn't big, they hadn't seen a big magic show or anything until the masked magician. and thats when i first got into it, however, i could not perform anything because it was all stage etc. then a while later Blaine came along. and i was amazed. many people are to harsh on him, he isn't as boring as people make him out to be. you may not like him, but he DOES have skill. it is not all just gimmicks as many people make it out to be. sure he does use gimmicks, but MANY magicians do. stage magicians, thats nearly all the use. and much bigger gimmicks as well. anyway...drifting off the point. blaine got me into magic and i bought a book, and then a stripper and then put them noth down for about 3-4 years maybe a bit longer, because i was to young to be bothered learning what needed to be learnt. and then i picked the old cards up again in july last year, and I'm now going very strong.

nearly there. i myself have bought very little gaffs over my short period of time, i only just invested in a svengali deck, in which my routine under Tsunami can be found in file sharing. the reason i am one for buying gimmicks or effects off the net or in shops is because nothing grabs my b**ls. i find a lot of effects very similar and bland. nothing with a wow factor. that is probably why i continue to practice my sleights and make up my own routines, change routines, etc etc. i am now branching out in to coin magic, and Markdini is giving me lots of advice " because he is a wise old man :P " in areas such as these. my point here is i got caught up in magic because of blaine, and many many effects that he performed that i once loved, i find now boring.

coming to and end. this ellusionist type magic is a trend and will soon most DEFINATELY die out. I'm sure verybody can see that these hard hitting quick effects are starting to lose their buzz, and the quality of the trick is slowly starting to deteriorate. and this is where the "pure skill" as i like to call it will come in to play, old effects will be refreshed and brought to a new level. i dont know who will do it...but this is what i think is going to happen. so yeh..hope you enjoyed that! :)

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Postby pcwells » Jan 13th, '07, 12:25

Mikey.666 wrote:i think that if you approached somebody in the tv business who interested in hiring a magician... and you came along and did a nice sponge ball routine and somebody else came up and did a short ID routine. I'm positive that they would ask the ID person to come back. because that what magic is all about at the moment...fast hard hitting and visiual.


I'm not sure that's a good analogy. An ID and a set of sponge balls are just props. What if the ID guy has the personality of a sock, while the sponge ball guy has people peeing themselves laughing?

And the comparison excludes many other branches of magic.

As for fast, hard hitting and visual, that's very true in the world of Blaine and Angel, but look at how popular Derren Brown's work is - how quickly his live shows have sold out, and how much tickets are starting to sell for on ebay. There's nothing fast, bite-sized or MTV-esque about the effects Brown presents, but he's a truly stellar entertainer.

Just an opinion,

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Postby Mikey.666 » Jan 13th, '07, 12:42

pcwells wrote: I'm not sure that's a good analogy. An ID and a set of sponge balls are just props. What if the ID guy has the personality of a sock, while the sponge ball guy has people peeing themselves laughing?

And the comparison excludes many other branches of magic.

As for fast, hard hitting and visual, that's very true in the world of Blaine and Angel, but look at how popular Derren Brown's work is - how quickly his live shows have sold out, and how much tickets are starting to sell for on ebay. There's nothing fast, bite-sized or MTV-esque about the effects Brown presents, but he's a truly stellar entertainer.

Just an opinion,

Pete


thats a very valid point. but how many "mainstream", funny sponge ball guys do you see out there? not many. again it is the people who make magic what it is. i didnt intend to exclude the other magics.. i was just trying to get my point across about hard hitting effects etc. as for derren brown. he is amazing, i really like him. but...how many derren brown type people are in the "mainstream" line of things...not many. and i wouldn't consider derren brown to be in the ""main""mainstream" run myself. it's a complex debate i feel. i don't think we could ever have a true answer.

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Postby Renato » Jan 13th, '07, 12:53

I agree that it is the companies who create an idea of what magic may be through the magicians and effects they choose to show on television...however I do not believe that means that the general public won't be interested in seeing any other style of magic because that's simply not the case - as thousands upon thousands of working magicians will tell you.

I feel that the fast magic on TV is good for TV - but in person people most people want something more engaging, something more powerful that most wham-bam magic simply can't give.

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Postby seige » Jan 13th, '07, 12:56

All I can add is that the TV watching magic generation who like Blaine and Angel would probably not appreciate seeing a decent live close-up magician.

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