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I think the world of Craig and I have great respect for him, but I have to make this very, very clear:

The responses that Craig is getting are not the fault of anyone other than Craig himself. The following quotes come directly from Craig's latest posts, on only two threads:

• I kind of snear when I say the word "magician"
• this kind of masturbation is uncalled for
• spoken like a true money grabbing ego-driven magician
• a solid representation of what it means to be the low end definition of a "Magician"
• a bunch of stupity... something rather common to this forum
• you and the rest of the gang run out to be jacks of all trades and thus, master nothing but personal ego
• you are deliberately misreading and misrepresenting what I've said
• a forum filled with self-righteous magic buffs that claim to be intellectually superior to the rest of the world
• Your jealousy is showing through with resentment
• Magic Bunny has become known for it's "viper" attitude and constant sense of arguing
• kindly go screw yourself
• fact is NONE OF YOU can touch my resume
• You obviously haven't a clue
• most of you never even heard of mentalism until David Blaine hit the scene and you wanted to be like him or Derren Brown
• 99% of the time I'm right. It's not arrogance folks, it's just facts
• merely reveals how little you know about Mentalism and its history
• People on this forum loathe the fact that I do have some exceptional credentials and experiences
• bunch of pigs that could care less
• you are all so filled with yourselves

Just off hand, does he call you folks pigs? Does he tell you guys to go screw youselves? And, if he did and he does, does it make you feel good? Or, does it make you want to return the shots in kind and argue mindlessly?

Sorry, Craig, but let's get the whole story out here, shall we? Again, I'm sorry, but you can't call people pigs and then wonder why they are being nasty to you.

Again, I say, those quotes were lifted from two thread - around a half dozen posts. That's quite a lot of nastiness for only 6 posts.

You can count me in as a fan of Craig Browning's - I like the man. Honestly. He is a decent human being and a treasure trove of knowledge. He is twice the man that I am.

That doesn't, however, change the facts of this matter.

Mike.

Mighty white of you Michael

The whole story is out there... others have gone to your forum and seen the thread, this is only part of what's been said in reply... check the archieves and look at just how the Bunny is viewed by many and why... let's get that side of the story straight as well.

Craig, I'm sorry to say this, but you are turning into exactly what Ethan was and is.

Sad.

Signed,

A Pig.

Why do you feel you need to air the bunny's laundry here?

Teh cherry picking you've done as to things I've said only supports the fact that you either choose not to "get the point" (which I know better), or because of your new role at the Bunny and the fact that these are now your chums whom you've had drinks with during your visits to the UK, that you will side with the political positive vs. dealing with the facts and the truth.

I don't deny that I use brasened lines... I don't deny that I'm about as subtle as an 800 lb gorilla in the middle of a room but I will, to my grave, deny the fact that I'm some sort of arrogant, elitist... you know better than that!

You also know exactly how most magicians act and as I said, you know for a fact that it was Bryan that fanned the sparks and kindled this flame, so if you want to chase someone and harass them, you'd best get after him and the others over there that jumped in after first blood was drawn.

I did no wrong and to compare me to Ethan is just assinine... Ethan was a slime, a theif and everything else I said he was when I did that REading on him... when everyone was telling me I was wrong only to find out I was right... or have you forgotten?

Based on this list of selected quotes... a message that you took considerable time to plan and carefully word no less... I would guess that the next step in teh Bunny's evolution to become The Magic Cafe UK will be grammar police and other modes of censorship... god forbid someone might speak like a grown-up and call a spade a spade. But as has been said here, wannabes don't want to hear the truth, so enjoy your forum of wannabes and knowing that they chased off most of the veterans that once supported your forum... so now you can be top dog of the hutch.

My role at the hutch has not changed, at all, one inkling. Jon Snoops is the main administrator, not me.

Read your post, Craig, read it. Read what you just said to me - read it.

the fact that these are now your chums whom you've had drinks with during your visits to the UK, that you will side with the political positive vs. dealing with the facts and the truth.

Contumely vituperation.

Can you not see that?

My apologies to the mods here at Talk Magic - I'm done.

Mike.

edited in:

By the way, you may find it humorous to note that all those quotes above of yours were just copied and pasted in no special order - they just came out that way. Still, not a surprise with the constant use of vitriol, which seems to be your only way of communicating on magic bunny these days.

My apologies to the members of this forum. When I first brought up this issue I did my best not to be overly specific and point fingers or name names on purpose. I asked for an honest opinion and I believe I recieved this. Yet, the management of the Bunny has seen fit to make this an issue throughout the net... I've already had words with the management team of other forums; my shock over Michaels action... well, I simply don't understand.

All I know... let me reword this... to the best of my knowledge and I've re-read what I posted over there several times trying to see why it was so volitile... I can't see it, it's certainly not as harsh as I've been elsewhere or in address of similar shenanagan...

All I can say is that I apologies to you all for this... I'm not apologiesing for Mike's antics but certainly for my own and how this issue got drug out of one forum into another by others.

I don't mean to stir the pot here, but some of those quotes.....

...funny as hell.

Craig,

I know very little about mentalism, although I have been, and contine reading books written by Corinda, Docc Hilford and Banachek. Therefore I won't debate your opinions on this subject, since the general concensus appears to be you definately know your stuff... no question.

Your purpose in starting this thread is intersting. It took this thread two and a bit pages of "back patting" and "high fiving" for things to "hot up". I am going to ignore the temptation to dwell on the quotes that have been alledged to be your's. I simply accept they are most likely true, but without proper context it is unfair to evaluate. For example, what specifically was said to you and in what circumstances in the first place. Without that information, it is unfair to look at those quotes in isolation regardless if you made them or not. Therfore I ignore them.

So to simply address your initial question, how do other members of Talk Magic perceive you? Personally, I find you arrogant, obnoxious and quite "bitter". I also find you somewhat hypocritical, because you often accuse people of not "reading" your entire post, yet I have personal experience of you doing the exact same thing to me and others.

I would NOT dare to challenge your knowledge on your chosen field of mentalism. I am simply not equiped to do so. I also do NOT challenge or evaluate you as a person, a human being... simply saying, I don't know you near well enough to do that, the "snap shot of your personality" that is this forum is only that, a "snap shot" and so please understand I make no judgement of you personally.

So when I say above "Personally, I find you arrogant, obnoxious and quite "bitter". It is ONLY in the context of the posts on this forum I refer to.

The world of Magic has changed. A 15 year old kid can now buy a DVD explaining a routine and be perfoming it to his school mates in a somewhat mediocre fashion the next day. No need to practice long and hard, no need to study, no need to improve, refine and perfect... bang, bang, bang... instant gratification.

Now I dont want to put words into your mouth, but I am going to go out on a limb here and say... I bet you dont like this new ..."instant"... way of learning Magic. I must admit, I tend to agree with you. So to put a word I used above into context now... "bitter", I can kind of understand how you may feel a little bitter about this situation... in some ways, this "new way" of learning magic is screwing up an industry I understand you have toiled long and hard to succeed in. We are all human, that would most likely give any of us the sh*ts if it happened to us.

Please consider one thing. It is not the 15 year old kid's fault.

I also accused you of being arrogant and obnoxious. Well, it certainly seems your knowledge of mentalism exceeds most of us here, perhaps all of us... I am not qualified to know, but I will accept you have a wealth of knowledge, and on that basis we as members of this forum are extremely fortunate to have you as a contributor. however...

when David R says:

Quote:

Past Private Performances have included personal demonstrations for Presidents Nixon, Ford & Carter as well as Dr. Henry Kissenger, Prince Andrew of the United Kingdom, The Dom Delouise family, George Burns, Steven Martin, Carl Reiner, Brook Shields, Mike Farrell & Family, Orson Wells, Carey Grant, Lucille Ball, Horace Hiedt & Family, The Van Patten Family, and the King Family... just to name a few...


That, and that alone gives you enough rights to say exactly what you have on your mind, not to mention all of your other achievements.

I must totally disagree. If this above is your CV, it gives you the "right" to be very proud of your achievements, to solicite other similar high profile work and be remunerated favorably, and to consider yourself successful in your field. But the right to speak rudely or in a condecending fashion to other members (which, lets face it, is the under lying context of much of this discussion)? I dont agree.

On the other hand, I must accept it would drive anyone crazy... someone of your ability and knowledge on this subject may be somewhat "underwhelmed" having to debate a mentalism issue with a "sunday hack" or 15 year old kid. That's life in the world of magic forums I guess. A little humility goes a VERY long way.

anyways, that's just my opinion. For what it's worth, I took your advice and started reading books. On the other hand, I am yet to find the elusive proof that someone once bent a spoon "with their mind"... but I'll keep my eyes open for it... while being quite sure I'll not find it...

Bobbycat... damn man, that was a fun post... and honest!

You of all people here, would feel as you do because you've felt the brunt of my wieght more than a few times...let's face it, you really can stir the pot at times. But I thank you for a very civil and sincere retort.

the least I could do... It's Xmas!

Craig Browning wrote:Why do you feel you need to air the bunny's laundry here?
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am i missing something? you have started this whole thread with @the bunnys dirty laundry

rvoice100 wrote:

Craig Browning wrote:Why do you feel you need to air the bunny's laundry here?
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am i missing something? you have started this whole thread with @the bunnys dirty laundry

Yea... you're missing about 2+ pages of thread...

Slightly off topic. But I hear a lot of bad stuff about bunny and the magic cafe on the forum. I my self have never been there but why do people hate them so much?

Michael Jay wrote:My apologies to the mods here at Talk Magic - I'm done.

That you felt there was something to be done here feels somehow very shoddy.

Markdini wrote:Slightly off topic. But I hear a lot of bad stuff about bunny and the magic cafe on the forum. I my self have never been there but why do people hate them so much?

Posts on the magic cafe tend to disappear (as if by magic) if you disagree with someone or mention anything that a moderator does.

The magic cafe is populated by people who only want to talk about products they've bought or are thinking of buying. They are obsessed with exposure but when you read their posts it is immediately obvious that they have never been before an audience in their lives.

In the mentalism forums, they are immensely concerned with ludicrous questions - such as justifying writing down thoughts on a piece of paper or whether sucker effects 'hurt the feelings' of their spectators. All things that are not a problem for anyone who has been onstage on more than three occaisions.

Basically, if you want to argue about which impression board to buy, or discuss irrelevent performance minutae for effects you never intend to perform. Or simply just to kiss the @ss of a guy who's released some products telling you exactly what to do and when to do it. Then the magic cafe is for you.