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Tenko wrote:L of M,

You use one tarot pack for performing 'Magic Tricks' yet you use another deck for what you call 'Real Readings'

As magicians, we all know that the likes of Houdini and Ricky Jay spent lifetimes exposing mediums and fraudsters who purported to have powers which all members of TM know is fraudulently untrue, so why do you have a deck of tarot cards only used for the real thing, when we all know there is no real thing ??

A matter of opinion my dear.

I'm quite a spiritualist and have a very deep belief in this sort of thing, although this isn't the place to go into my own beliefs.

It's only fraudulent if the medium/spiritualist is going out to intentionally provide false readings to earn money. If the medium knows how to read the cards and believes in what she is doing, then that's not fraud.

I often do real readings but have never taken a penny for doing them and totally believe in what I'm telling people.

...and as has been discussed here countless times, no one can definately say its definately real/not real...lets not do it again though please...

it'll just descend into the usual circular arguments wont it...

Lady of Mystery wrote:It's only fraudulent if the medium/spiritualist is going out to intentionally provide false readings to earn money. If the medium knows how to read the cards and believes in what she is doing, then that's not fraud.

Believing is not knowing. What if I believe I can fix someone's brain with surgery, but can't really. Should I be allowed to practice it?

sweet lord...

look, the post was about trying to help someone with medievil type things, lets leave it at that rather than arguing over beliefs eh...

Please accept my humblest apologies.
I don't know what came over me.

beeno wrote:Please accept my humblest apologies.
I don't know what came over me.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway....

you could also pop over to blackhart.co.uk - lots of great effects full of presentational pull....good strong storylines and yes....tarot decks...

dont forget, tarot cards begat our humble playing cards...

I'm not going to get into a discussion on my personal spiritual/religious beliefs, this is the wrong place for this type of discussion.

My beliefs are mine and your beliefs are yours, we're both entitled to our own beliefs and ideas and one can't be proved any more right or wrong than the other..

As my boyfriend says, there are three things you should never argue with someone about, their religous beliefs, their political beliefs and football

abraxus wrote:dont forget, tarot cards begat our humble playing cards...

Are you sure? I thought the tarot was additions to the standard playing card set.

though not brilliant, there's some discussion of it on wikipedia...

but basically, lets not turn someone elses thread into a personal beliefs fight...it just looks kinda childish, my dad's bigger than your dad sort of thing...lets leave that it at that please...

I'm sorry if I appear pedantry, but I already apologised for that, and I genuinely thought your statement was in error.

As far as I've always understand it, playing cards originated somewhere in the Moorish areas of North Africa and the Middle East in the 1300s as the usual 52 cards (not sure wether they were the modern suits or the tarot suits then, or perhaps something totally different.

They were then brought into Europe by the crusaders in the 1400s and had the extra 22 Major Arcana cards added to make the full tarot deck. They then started geting used for divination sortly after that.

For what ever reason the only extra tarot card to hang around in a normal deck is the Joker, or fool from a tarot deck.

for old looking cards (which look new at the same tim if that makes any sense?!?) you could try searching on google for "pippoglyph" cards

Tenko wrote:L of M,

You use one tarot pack for performing 'Magic Tricks' yet you use another deck for what you call 'Real Readings'

As magicians, we all know that the likes of Houdini and Ricky Jay spent lifetimes exposing mediums and fraudsters who purported to have powers which all members of TM know is fraudulently untrue, so why do you have a deck of tarot cards only used for the real thing, when we all know there is no real thing ??

So why are mediums still operating then?, sorry to disagree but nobody can know for certain 1000% that they or their methods(or some of them) are not genuine. An good actor could pose fraudulantly as a doctor or pilot (think of the film 'catch me if you can') but that doesnt mean all pilots and docters are fraudulent!

Lady of Mystery wrote:

abraxus wrote:

Lady of Mystery wrote: it does suggest that you are doing "tricks" with the tarot, rather than using them to do something intuitive..

That's a very good point, I'd never thought of it that way before.

PM me for a great Tarot stack that lets you do some nice esp effects!