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I always use the Strike DL for a no-break DL. Basically I used to always stick with Marlo's Strike DL but more recently I have been emplying R Paul Wilson's "Hit and Pinch" DL from his "Double Your Pleasure" notes. It is very natural and easy to do assuming you have mastered Marlo's Strike DL.

I highly recommend it.

Take it easy,

P.H.

I have been practising magic for a couple of years and I am still not confident enough to perform tricks with a DL. I use the thumb at the back method because I just can't get used to the pushing across.

Don't worry Chris, many fo the world's greatest magicians refuse to use DLs and they have just fine!

Eugene Burger never performs any effects with even a single DL and he is regarded as the greatest by many.

Keep with the practice... Do you learn the DL from anywhere? There are some really good teaching sources that could help you out!

Take it easy,

P.H.

If you are lucky enough to find it and you are willing to put the time into it, Ron Bauer's T.T.T. is the finest double you'll find.

Charlie Miller stated, "I must confess that I never even suspected that Ron was turning over the two top cards as one when I first saw him doing one of his pet effects. Later I saw him present his version of the “Ambitious Card” and not once did I ever see him “tip off” the turning over of two cards as one.
I'll state this right now. Ron Bauer is one of the very few performers who can turn over two cards as one and make it appear that but one card only is being turned over."

I've personally seen it (or, should I say, DIDN'T see it). It is natural with absolutely no tells.

Again, if you're lucky enough to find it...And, it IS a "no-break" double.

Mike.

Well my recommendation is this, just find alot of different DLs and try them all out. find one that you are most comfortable with and stick with it.

when i do my DL, it seems like very very noticeable that im doing something with the cards. yet nobody really notices it unless they are magicians themselves.
but i know many different DL as well though so i use them anyways.

cept those pinky pull down break thing, that just hurts my pinky

lewis jones' OH move, or
a simple and sly injog as you fan across the cards
open trap (one of my faves)
or as said, just practise til you dont need a pinkie break...

Is the Ron Bauer TTT move the same thing as the Finley-Vernon Double Turnover taught here:

http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com/all24rbps/mechanical/index.htm

I've developed perfect sense of touch that allows me to feel the subtle difference between 1 card and 2. It took most of my life and hours of practice. And I still find that using a break and tilting the hand slightly works just as well. Ooooh the wasted years.

kitaristi0 wrote:Is the Ron Bauer TTT move the same thing as the Finley-Vernon Double Turnover taught here:

http://www.thinklikeaconjurer.com/all24rbps/mechanical/index.htm

Very close. Bauer was a friend of Vernon's back in the day. Bauer knew most of the guys from those days (Malini, Miller, etc.) and was a very good friend of the late Milt Kort (you'll find Kort's name sprinkled liberally throughout Bobo - have a look).

I believe that Bauer's TTT has further subtleties added into the Finley-Vernon double, though.

Mike.

Despite my best efforts I can't seem to find the TTT move anywhere, so I guess I'll have to settle for the Finley-Vernon double.

The one I use is .. I think a strike DL... Sankey uses it all the time..

No breaks you just take two.. very easy especially when the deck is beveled a little

I do Gregory Wilson's way of thumbing out the two cards(double take dvd), he teaches it by pushing from the top and not the side (kinda pushing to the side and pulling down as well). If you do it from the top you'll be able to feel the 2 or more cards. I'm hoping this is making sense.

Anyway, It's ok to have it not totally square. It'll take time to get it pretty close to square. It took me about a week of just practicing the push-off to where I'm satisfied with the result. Just keep practicing the move and you'll get the hang of it.

And make sure you practice doing the same move with just one card that way you reveal a double and a single the same way. If you do them the same way everytime then no one will suspect your double.

Good luck!

If I'm revealing to much please feel free to edit/delete. Thanks!

This is one of those "subjective" topics. One or another might work well depending on the effect in which it is employed. When I showed Malone my DL many years ago, he told me he didn't like it. Especially with the "Altman Trap"! His uses no get ready. Cards are pushed of the deck, and two are squared at the top right corner just before the turnover (end over end!). He was not at all concerned about a little seperation because the way he does it, it just flys right by. He wanted the most natural look he could get - in his opinion.

Regal uses a get ready and an Altman trap! He certainly is no slouch!

Lorayne grabs a double from the back and just flips it over length-wise. He is no slouch either!

The "strike" double has been both touted and cursed.

Whichever method you use, the key is to be smooth, relaxed and comfortable - natural! It can also be done on an offbeat, or during some minor misdirection.

My advice is to practice which ever method you use until it becomes second nature. If you are turning cards over, try to use the same technique when turning a single. Establish your style before you do the double, and it will fly by.

Is your DL deceptive? If it isn't, you may want another method - but you may simply be in need of more practice before you take your show on the road!

lindz wrote:Just do what I did train your fingers to know how many cards your lifting. Simple no break nothing just pick up the cards done.

Exactly what I do. I tried working with breaks/spreads but they just don't make me feel confident. When I just plainly lift 2 cards, I keep eye contact with them as I thumb up the 2 cards.