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Value for money, I would recommend the Master Key by Terri Rogers from Martin Breese. It has four methods in one, and is superb. You get three books, beautifully made, and the routines are lovely. I have used this in a varity of settings to great effect.

IBT is good but best in an informal setting like a bookshop for an instant stunner.

Jay Sankey has a nice variation on the Fulves cards and book booktest.

Karl Mario was talking to me!

Well, he must be, cos he sent that post to me in a pm just now...i did reply, and was very polite...

Anyway, i hope that both mario, and the other guy, Karl have a wonderful time here..and may they both contribute with reviews, experience and all that other stuff the rest of us do

we do want to talk magic here i believe, but a shared experience of magic, rather than self-publicity without giving much back...

at least reverend lewis has given us lots of free advice here, as well as plugged his good-goods...

You still can't go wrong with the Hoy Book test...

Karl/mario - dual reality at it's worst...

Val Andrews/The Key/and a few others are good, but not for me...i've never been happy being the one supplying the book - but thats just me...

For me my favorite book test has to be the I.B.T I like that one a lot. Although I do see the strengths of the naked book test.

Speaking of book test has any one done the one out of building blocks?

Markdini wrote:Speaking of book test has any one done the one out of building blocks?

Yes. I incorporated some 'naked' ideas into it (this was two years ago, so pre-Tomo's meisterwork, based on the ideas in 'Psychological Subtleties'). I tell a story and the listeners can add details, which I then prove. They name the story in the book, a further detail, then the chosen word is revealed as a prediction.

First time out, the effect was perfect, but my friend said he knew how it worked. While a form of instant stooge is one way to do it, I tried again, with a slightly altered version. And it didn't work. It didn't work the next time either. Third time and I gave up.

I don't know if it was me, the method, the first person it worked on being a good subject, the other couple of people I tried it on being bad, the lighting, or what.

Hi
Well i am very impress (?) with all your references.
YOU SAY:
"I hope you try to do the same here, rather than publicise yourself using diferent names. "

What ever neme i use, is not anybody's business.
My reason for using two or three names are private and confidential.
And very far from bein advertising.

Anything then should be advertising then; for exemple your own frase:
YOU SAY
"I've just released my own booktest, and am currently waiting for my publisher to finish off editing my first book for printing as we "speak". .

Could that not be interpreted a advertising ?
see what i mean?

Anyway, personaly, i dont think is anything wrong in letting other poeple around to know so, or so.....
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If you look at the above replies form diferent friends, you will see that most of them, are indirectly advertising for someone, each time that they say:
"Well my favorite book test is.....

"Well mine is ........

"so pre-Tomo's meisterwork, based on the ideas in 'Psychological Subtleties'".....

"my favorite book test has to be the I.B.T I like that one a lot.....

"You still can't go wrong with the Hoy Book test...

"Value for money, I would recommend the Master Key by Terri Rogers from Martin Breese".........
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Don't you think that all those are also advertisisng???
one may think that the persone that did wrote so, could be a friend
of the guys who wrote the book???
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Well sory about that, but i am also going to sujest a very good book test.
And this one IS MINE;
Is call : "BLANK BOOK, BLANK MIND"
Its very efective and totally indetectible.
You offert a spectator a 450 pages Blank book.
Spectator open it, and you aske him to select any page he likes, and to write at the bottom of the page, the page number he fils like it, and once this is down, in the same blank page, aske him to write a frase of about 10 words,
(Spectator , becomes the writer, not a bad idea ?)
Once this is finish, at 10 yards away, you describe the meaning of frase, and after start spelling letters, and ends up, saying the wholle frase.

Magicien nevers get near the book, or spectator
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Lovely? I know you whant to know how i do?
Well , very easy,
I start by..........................Sory , cant say, this will be exposure.

How to get the secret? you all know how this magic business functions.
enjoy it
Will be finish print end december

karl,super mario, and others.....




karl

I sir , am a capitialist there for I dont advertise anything without being paid. And I havent been paid to say that I like the I.B.T by the way this is the one on the Osterlind tapes the one with the business card. (£100 for mentioning this mr osterlind if you dont mind)

And I dont care if you call your self Karl, Mario or sally on a wensday night. Some one asked an opinion and he got it. Also Abraxus has not mentioned the Name of his book test or the name of the person who has published it.

I wish you luck with yours oh and nice fire wallet by the way (now I am advertising you there is irony.)

and, before you blurted it out in the open karl, about 8 people in the whole world knew i had a booktest or books coming out...and im taking an advert out soon too, before i self-advertise...

you obviously know your stuff, you have your stuff for sale on magic sites, i just thought it was common courtesy to pay for advertising space too...

ultimately, none of my business, im not a moderator or anything...but if you're going to start on me in a private message for no reason other than some minor sarcasm on my part, then ultimately, that's more your problem than mine old bean...

i would of actually of been quite interested in one of your products, but not now...very poor attitude towards the truth...

What ever neme I use, is not anybody's business.
My reason for using two or three names are private and confidential.
And very far from bein advertising.

Then why have a conversation with yourself, recommending to your other self, your own product. If its not advertising then what is it.
I usually try to ignore any mud slinging on the forum, but i dont think its right to take pot shots at members who have contributed endless ideas, routines and advice for nothing with no expectation of anything in return. And to be honest, if these members were to give themselves some sneaky publicity on the forums (not that they have), then they would have earned it. They have given far more than they have taken away.

See Master Abraxus dini keep the mystery alive. This is true what Mr Regs says about what certian members have given this forum and some of Abraxus ideas that he has given away for free have been a stroke of genius.

Ok back to book test. I also like the one out of self working mental magic but then again should you use cards to force. OOO gives me an idea.

karl wrote:
Anything then should be advertising then; for exemple your own frase:
YOU SAY
"I've just released my own booktest, and am currently waiting for my publisher to finish off editing my first book for printing as we "speak". .

Could that not be interpreted a advertising ?
see what I mean?

Anyway, personaly, I dont think is anything wrong in letting other poeple around to know so, or so.....
karl

Nothing wrong with letting people around "know" Karl... although Talk Magic members who actually pay for advertising may feel differently???

However I object to your misleading concept of starting a conversation between 2 of your identities. This being back before you made the mistake that forced you to admit you were both Karl and Super Mario. You used one identity to "feign" interest in one of your other identity's products. Far from being "clever" that is absolute "kid stuff"! and now you're suggesting you may have several more "secret" identities... are you serious???

karl wrote:What ever neme I use, is not anybody's business.
My reason for using two or three names are private and confidential.

LOL...

karl wrote:Hi
If you look at the above replies form diferent friends, you will see that most of them, are indirectly advertising for someone, each time that they say:
"Well my favorite book test is.....

"Well mine is ........

"so pre-Tomo's meisterwork, based on the ideas in 'Psychological Subtleties'".....

"my favorite book test has to be the I.B.T I like that one a lot.....

"You still can't go wrong with the Hoy Book test...

"Value for money, I would recommend the Master Key by Terri Rogers from Martin Breese".........
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Don't you think that all those are also advertisisng???
one may think that the persone that did wrote so, could be a friend
of the guys who wrote the book???
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karl

Karl, there is a MASSIVE difference between a friend endorsing a friend's product after trying it out, and one person pretending to be 2 or 3 or more to feign interest in THEIR OWN PRODUCT. That really is "kid stuff".

Ironically it was one of the younger members here at TM who first caught you out which I find... very funny!

By all means, share you experience and your wisdom. We have much to gain from the thoughts of professionals such as you... but please dont treat us all like idiots...

Now... please resist your first instinct to launch a barrage of self defensive rhetoric. I am not saying I dont like you, You seem like a real fun guy, and I understand you would have gained great experience, so you have much to offer.

oh please please please lets not get into more arguements over this, it doesn't really matter who's right or who's wrong we're all here to talk about magic, not have little bitch fights.

Lady of Mystery wrote:oh please please please lets not get into more arguements over this, it doesn't really matter who's right or who's wrong we're all here to talk about magic, not have little bitch fights.

lomster, for once, no - it does matter who's wrong or right...fair enough dropping the odd plug here and there from those pro's that appear here everynow and again, but they do contribute alot before doing so too..

I'm all for talking magic, but not just about karl's products in all his posts...

still, no such thing as bad publicity i suppose...

I know what you're saying abraxus, I just hate it when I see a thread which could be quite interesting, only to find that it's yet another slanging match.

karl wrote:
If you look at the above replies form diferent friends, you will see that most of them, are indirectly advertising for someone, each time that they say:
"Well my favorite book test is.....

"Well mine is ........

"so pre-Tomo's meisterwork, based on the ideas in 'Psychological Subtleties'".....

"my favorite book test has to be the I.B.T I like that one a lot.....

"You still can't go wrong with the Hoy Book test...

"Value for money, I would recommend the Master Key by Terri Rogers from Martin Breese".........
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Don't you think that all those are also advertisisng???


karl

Nope, endorsements for stuff we purchased, road tested and enjoyed...can't wait to try yours when it is available. If it is good, I will endorse it, if it cr*p (not so good) then I will say that as well. This is how forums work.

Lady of Mystery wrote:I know what you're saying abraxus, I just hate it when I see a thread which could be quite interesting, only to find that it's yet another slanging match.

Ditto, but in fairness to the rules of the forum, I think it's also important to see how we got to this point. The guy set up a second account (originally quite legitimately it seems, because he couldn't get in to the original one), then seemingly used it as a sock puppet to plug his wares. Now he's openly insulting people and ranting at them. That's very poor form.

So, to get back on track, has anyone mentioned the Any Word Any Page test? I have it because I had a nasty feeling from the description that they'd discovered the principle behind my Naked Book Test. They haven't. The description is somewhat misleading, in that you do a lot of handling of the book, even though you can use any book. It's a nice piece of work, but don't expect the description to match the method too closely.