my favourites are the lomster videos of her top ten tips on ironing, cleaning and fetching dave's pipe and slippers...
but why she has ten tips, i dont know...must be something to do with her genes...
anyway, before my shins collapse, i would say the best and easiest way to get access to the forbidden (in any scenario really) is to contribute well, respect others, add what you can, review constructively and generally treat others how you'd like to be treated yourself...
in the "magician's" secret cave, are people's routines, ideas, more advanced help wanted, sharing and caring kinda stuff like that...
and in the "mentalist's" secret lair, is pretty much the same...
it's just a good way of keeping it all hidden in plain site (sic)...
plus, it can be amusing when someone brand new almost demands to be let in for no good reason...

for me, there's an element of trust going on in both, that you trust one another not to blab your ideas out, nor copy and pass them off as your own...so as far as im concerned, i trust those people more than everyone else...'cos we all seem to share that understanding for the most part...
you certainly get out of this place what you put in...i've learnt alot in a relatively short space of time, made some good mates, had a few laughs, had a couple of rows...you need peaks and troughs to jolt you into action i reckon...
ah...another waffling post...
