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i really do not use it because i think majority of ppl will spot u after first few times!!!!

but there this trick from cardzones i want to try which requires like 50trillion Flushtration counts so i wana know if ppl have been caught out doing it??????????????????

I find that doing the count at a slightly slower, natural pace helps. If anything, rushing it will arouse suspicion. And don't overuse it either.

looooool dont overuse it in this trick called deja vu gota use it for 3 different sets 5 times then 4 then 3 lol

Oh dear.

Dear oh dear.

I just cannot help myself... sorry!

BUT PLEASE READ THE FORUM RULES.

And yes, the Flustration can be used over and over and over and over if you learn it properly and use it properly.

Good lord, sometimes I wonder why we bother being so polite!

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http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ptopic11656.php

I think that you should alwaystry to vary that way that you do something, I don't know either that trick or the sleight but if I come a cross a trick that wants me to use the same sleight over and over, I'll usually look for alternatives.

You know, it really doesn't matter if anybody else gets away with a sleight or not. The question is will you get away with it? Flustration count has been around for a very long time the sleight works, all sleights work or else they wouldn't be sleights, the subtleties work. THE FREAKIN TRICKS WORK! The question will always be, can you make it work?

I was watching Keith Barry do stuff on TV a while back and at the end of one card routine it suddenly occurred to me that he'd might have used the most basic and simple of sleights, the good ol' cross cut force! For a while I sat there thinking, 'Did he or didn't he'? and, as I was videoing it, I played it back and sure enough he did! Even at that point it seemed so plausible and natural - in the live performance the spec wouldn't have noticed a thing! Moral of the story? Don't agonise over it, if you believe in it yourself, relegate the sleights to that area of the brain where things happen naturally, and do it to the best of your ability, you'll do fine.

Mandrake wrote:I was watching Keith Barry do stuff on TV a while back and at the end of one card routine it suddenly occurred to me that he'd might have used the most basic and simple of sleights, the good ol' cross cut force! For a while I sat there thinking, 'Did he or didn't he'? and, as I was videoing it, I played it back and sure enough he did! Even at that point it seemed so plausible and natural - in the live performance the spec wouldn't have noticed a thing! Moral of the story? Don't agonise over it, if you believe in it yourself, relegate the sleights to that area of the brain where things happen naturally, and do it to the best of your ability, you'll do fine.

I have seen Keith and other TV magicians in the past use that and other basic slights. If you get away with it, why ever not?

In that example, Keith just kept talking away nineteen to the dozen like he does and distracting the spec so he could have got away with anything!

bmat wrote:You know, it really doesn't matter if anybody else gets away with a sleight or not. The question is will you get away with it? Flustration count has been around for a very long time the sleight works, all sleights work or else they wouldn't be sleights, the subtleties work. THE FREAKIN TRICKS WORK! The question will always be, can you make it work?

exactly... need i say more... i think not

The flushtration count kills. It can be used to even more devastating effect in conjunction with a casual Elmsley or the like.

Still, two of my favourite "packet tricks" use the Flustration count - "The Web" and the "Oddball Series" (a Jim Pace routine), and I have never, ever been picked up when performing either of those two gems. Infact, both of these are "go to" effects for me, because I know I won't mess them up and I know they will come up with the goods.

With a casual style, you shouldn't have a problem "getting away" with the flushtration count.

Personally, I prefer it in routines where it is used implicitly (for example, to casually show the backs of cards as regular, when they are DF or similar) as opposed to explicitly (Look, now all the backs are red...")

Also, is it just me, or does it look better when blank cards are involved?

Has to be said, it is a strange move (one of the few that I can think of that you can't duplicate fairly), but smooth and slow are the way to go!

Hey, I'm a poet and I didn't even realise...

Liam.

While I do not know the Flush Count I have seen it in work. Unless you're super great at it, it could be a good idea to do it at slower pace and maybe do some talking or something (act relaxed) when doing it.

When I do the elmsley count for instance, I've noticed that it is better to do it at a "normal" counting speed. That way people won't get as suspicious as if you were doing it fast. Doing it fast will make them think you are trying to hide something....

Just my cents... but what do I know. I'm just a newbie!

bmat wrote:THE FREAKIN TRICKS WORK! The question will always be, can you make it work?

AMEN TO THAT!