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Following from my post on magicians bad habits ( http://www.talkmagic.co.uk/ftopic25501-30.php ) I thought it would be interesting, especially for beginners and those making the faux pas mentioned, to learn from, to discuss experience versus technical knowledge. what do people understand by being experienced, inexperienced, are the most knowledgeable the better performers or can this hinder progress, what do the upcoming magicians need to include to make the most of their performing, and so on?

Any opinions, advice, criticism, thoughts on the learning curve welcome here.

knowledge and experience are two different but related things.

Knowledge is about knowing how something works and the expereince is gained through applying the knowledge by putting it into practice.

Nothing original here, but Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit and Experience/Wisdom is not sticking them into a fruit salad

The only way to learn is to perform for strangers - not friends, not family, people you genuinely don't know. You'll learn fast then.

If you want to learn really fast, start performing for people who have paid to see you. You'll learn really fast then.

There are no short cuts I'm afraid. What works wonderfully for me will work awfully for you. Perform for real people, and by doing so you will see what your strong points are and what you can safely "leave behind".

And the more you do it, the more your confidence will improve. Which is half the battle anyway.

Knowledge + experience = understanding.

People expect to have to learn knowledge.

Unfourtunatly, people can forget to learn from experience.

knowledge is knowing what, in theory, you should do.

Experience is knowing what to ACTUALLY do.

Knowledge is all well and good, it's fine to know all the latest tricks and knuckle busting sleights if that's what you want to do. But when you get out there and perform for paying specs, that's when you gain experience. From that experience, you'll learn what your audiences want to see and what they don't. You'll also learn how to adapt a routine to suit a particular audience or situation.

Knowledge will get you started but it's experience that will make you entertaining.

Completely agree with wand here. The real learning when it comes to magic/mentalism begins when you perform for strangers.
Obviously one can cram in all the knowledge and can be a hot shot at all the sleights in the privacy of your own youtube channel but the real challenge is learning to approach strangers and entertain them.

I feel this takes many years of experience to perfect.

There are 3 approaches to understand about KNOWLEDGE and EXPERINCE.

Approach A(Bottom up approach)
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Nonaka & Takeuchi have defined knowledge into TACIT and EXPICIT.
Nonaka & Takeuchi is the most popular model. It difines the process of defining knowledge from experince i.e. how to move from Tacit knowledge to Explicit knowledge.

Approach B(Top down approach)
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Bloom's Taxomony
Bloom identified six levels within the cognitive domain.

Approach C(Bottom up apprach)
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a. Data -- Experience
b. Informaion -- Understanding relations
c. Knowledge -- Understanding patterns
d. Wisdom -- Understanding princliples

swamy wrote:There are 3 approaches to understand about KNOWLEDGE and EXPERINCE.

Approach A(Bottom up approach)
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Nonaka & Takeuchi have defined knowledge into TACIT and EXPICIT.
Nonaka & Takeuchi is the most popular model. It difines the process of defining knowledge from experince i.e. how to move from Tacit knowledge to Explicit knowledge.

Approach B(Top down approach)
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Bloom's Taxomony
Bloom identified six levels within the cognitive domain.

Approach C(Bottom up apprach)
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a. Data -- Experience
b. Informaion -- Understanding relations
c. Knowledge -- Understanding patterns
d. Wisdom -- Understanding princliples

I just have to add for those that are interested, the above is but one small aspect of Dr Bloom's work. His work is based on learning behaviour leading to a methodology of 'training/teaching'. It is obviously much more involved and takes some time to study but I find it interesting (I am a nerd that way) although like most he makes things more difficult then they need to be.

Its all experiance, I know nothing of the knowledge of Magic really, Im pants at names of tricks and famous magicians, or what this move and that moves called..its all a load of b*lls.....It doesnt matter if you know all the Magic theory in the world if you cant perform it you aint no Magician, so it experiance anyday of the week......

You cant learn in a book how to react to someones human instinct when performing, its different everytime, but the more you experiance different reactions the better you get!

Magic Chris wrote:It doesnt matter if you know all the Magic theory in the world if you cant perform it you aint no Magician, so it experiance anyday of the week......

Performers who would like to invent tricks, teach magic, publish books etc, THEORY helps.