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They all created something new.

Some, like Harare don't perform anyone else's materials. Ever.
Dunninger defined his own brand of mentalism. So did Derren Brown.
Penn & Teller are like no-one else.
And who could Siegfried and Roy copy?

Granted, they can all perform "Professor's Nightmare", but that's not what they're famous for.
Generally magicians only become famous for doing something new - usually their own material, although some might pay others to invent for them.
And some, like Blaine mostly did tricks straight out the trick shop, with no creativity of his own.

Whatever. You miss the point. Continue on in your bubble, I am done wasting my time.

Well I'm with Saxmad, inventing something doesn't mean producing a trick for the magical fraternity, just doing something different, something that makes you remembered. The general public don't really care what trick a magician sells to other magicians, just that they are entertained.

tmoca wrote:Whatever. You miss the point. Continue on in your bubble, I am done wasting my time.

Since it was my point, I think you're the one who's missing it!

nickj wrote:Well I'm with Saxmad, inventing something doesn't mean producing a trick for the magical fraternity, just doing something different, something that makes you remembered. The general public don't really care what trick a magician sells to other magicians, just that they are entertained.

Right, my point exactly! Saxmad said originally,

Generally, a magician has to create effects before he is recognised by others in his field

Which I totally disagree with. I know, I know you said "Generally", but read is original statement again.....it's ridiculous. There is cr@p created everyday, that is not and should not be "recognized" by anyone! I know, I know you said "Generally"

Supposedly, just because I disagree, I am wrong. lol

If you mean something different than what you are typing, say it that way, especially to a newbie. I read the statement as it was typed. If you read it again, you will see I am not off base with my comments.

So my opinion is that "Generally"....awe forget it, you still won't understand.

Effect doesn't necessarily mean trick though does it? It is what is perceived by the audience, be that a new way of presenting a stage show through cunning use of Painted Aardvarks rather than playing cards or whatever.

awe forget it, you still won't understand

I should mention that this thread is being watched with some concern regarding the lack of courtesy and respect in some of the postings and replies. By all means disagree but please try to keep it civil and pleasant - magic is supposed to be a fun and entertaining art, not a topic for discourtesy and aggravation.

OK, back to the SUBJECT of the POST

Oz Pearlman is a working pro in America. His card magic is actually outstanding, and he is easily understood in his explanations.

My first sightings of Oz were him doing video demos of OTHER magic effects for Penguin — oooh, two, or even three years ago.

What impressed me was his enthusiasm, his skill, and his knack of explaining an effect using LAYMENS terms.

I have to both agree, and disagree with the comments here:
Oz DOES use and dress other people's sleights: but he's no more to be criticised than Daryl, Ammar, Sankey or even (to an extent).

However, give the dude a bit of credit

Mandrake wrote:

awe forget it, you still won't understand

I should mention that this thread is being watched with some concern regarding the lack of courtesy and respect in some of the postings and replies. By all means disagree but please try to keep it civil and pleasant - magic is supposed to be a fun and entertaining art, not a topic for discourtesy and aggravation.

Thanks Mandrake.
This is the reason I don't frequent most of the other magic bulletin boards.
Talk Magic is one of the few civilised boards where we can intelligently discuss matters.
Let's keep it that way.

Anyway back to the topic:
I'd like to see Oz do more than demonstrate tricks for sale.
I'm sure that with his level of ability he could come up with some excellent material, and maybe he already has. Maybe he just hasn't had the chance to show it off, or maybe I've just missed it.

One thing for sure - he has a MASSIVE repertoire!

Back to subject guy..OZ is a good magician but his product is not original taken from some other ppl stuff. The way they teaching in penguins can consider rip off. The best way to learn magic buy a DVD's set ;like MIchael Ammr's Stuff, Jeff Mc Brides & others.

Hi. No doubt, some of the effects on sale on Penguinmagic are killer effects... but there's something that really pees me off.. and that is the camera, filming.

Whenever Oz is palming a card, you don't get to see his hand, the camera does a big zoom on something else.
Or i was trying to figure out Nemesis (by sam webster) the other day... and I coulndt understand what happens to the extra Odd colored cards.
(OF course i didn't see the "ditch", since the camera was zooming on Oz's other hand and on the table. How am i supposed to learn about misdirection if all he uses is camera filming CHeating !!!
... get what i mean?...

BlackJack

You could learn about misdirection by experience and by buying dvds etc rather than trying to get what you want for free.

Oz pearlman is great at what he does. I agree that he is fairly talented, but all of his fame comes only from his penguin website. I personally have nothing against penguin I find it to be a great web site which offers many quality items at great prices. Some people have a lot against OZ and his web site personally I feel it is great. Oz deserves all the credit he recieves in my opinion cause he has opened up a great business that can be trusted and is very use friendly. OZ i love your work and effects even if they arent original. Keep it Up

S_adamson1 wrote:Oz pearlman is great at what he does. I agree that he is fairly talented, but all of his fame comes only from his penguin website. I personally have nothing against penguin I find it to be a great web site which offers many quality items at great prices. Some people have a lot against OZ and his web site personally I feel it is great. Oz deserves all the credit he recieves in my opinion cause he has opened up a great business that can be trusted and is very use friendly. OZ i love your work and effects even if they arent original. Keep it Up

HHmmmmm!!!?!?!??!?!

Oz's 'fame' comes from his walkaround stuff and performances OUTSIDE Penguin. Oz has been a working pro since the age of 15, and he IS a worker. He is a renowned and respected for his vibrance, originality, energy and charm—and he is even lecturing magic in the USA.

His relationship with Penguin didn't even start until 2002, and even then, they were the ones gaining, because Oz's help with their demo videos is basically (and lots of people will agree) what made Penguin so great.

I agree nickj

BlackJack i dont see why you are not happy with the penguins camera filming.

Demos are made to show the effect being performed, rather than giving away secrets for nothing.

I can see by your post, you are more interested in what you can get free and rip of other peoples efforts just so you can benefit. Start purchasing magic rather than tryng to figure out the magic from peoples demos.