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Mod's with trucks in the 70s, teddy boys in the 80's. All children working on there families farms, wow beard you've re-writen social history beard lol
see the thing I don't get is that I am one of the kids tomo spoke about, my dad worked at the pit, he lost his job due to them shutting down. Am I bitter yes a little but my child has been bought up right, she loves school. She's only young but I won't teach her the lessons my farther taught me as they are wrong. Don't get me wrong there are people in my area that could do with being culled. It took me along time to decide to bring a child into this godforsaken world and why did I decide to have a child? So it wouldn't be full of THOSE people. My head hurts now.

Like I said my history's a bit off, but my point is valid. When people talk about 'kids these days' and the trouble there causing, their talking about a tiny fraction of the child population and many of the children who do no wrong but follow the same fashion trend (i.e hoodies) get penalised for it.

And p.cwells I think teachers are the most underpaid under appreciated and under motivated people in the childcare profession, they are not the bad guys.

However the school system is *****d, I don't think anyone can argue that. I learned to mistrust adults and disrespect authority from school. I was forced to go to this bleak grey place everyday where I didn't learn anything because I was one of 30 kids trying to listen to a teacher who tried to get us to understand and remember a lesson in under 40 minuets. I had no say and no control over what went on in the school and none of the teachers seemed to be on my side.

Everyday that I went to primary school, every day for four * years I was miserable. At least when I got home I had great parents and a big heath that they let me go off to on my own. Many kids have nothing but a council estate next to a busy road with the words 'no ball games' plastered everywhere, and then we say kids spend too much time playing indoors.

The primary purpose of school is not to educate, its to 'school' children, teach them to behave in a certain way in our society, the education side has been replaced with teaching kids the right answer to tests, and any chance of innovative thinking by teachers or students has been legislated to death.

I don't know why kids are suddenly beating your mum up in class, However whether its the social situation that's developed locally or if its a wide spread thing, you said it yourself, it didn't used to happen. So its not kids that are the factor, it's either something in the school or in the local community.

There is a new trend of kids either hitting teachers or claiming they touched them inappropriately (I'll tell you, nothing is more scary than a 12 year old shouting 'you grouped me you pedo') This is a new power kids have got and they will use it any way they can, after all they have no say in any other aspect of their life. They spend half their day forced to be somewhere and do things they don't want. They are being penned in and removed from most public areas, they are no longer able to go off with their friends and be free from adults telling them what to do or how to do it.

Most of the time when a group of people feel oppressed they respond with physical and verbal protest.

There have been virtually no laws created around children that has their interests at the front of the agenda, its always the adult interest that matters because adults have the vote.

Of course some kids are just jerks same as anyone else but no one seems to see children as human beings any more, they are 'potential adults' things that have to be moulded and protected or kept away from decent people.

Did you check the mosquito link I posted? think about the implications of that device, someone has been allowed, in a legitimate way, to manufacture and sell a product with the sole purpose of keeping kids out of the public area by causing them pain.

If someone made a device that emits a sound that only causes black people pain, to stop them 'loitering around my shop causing trouble' and is done 'for their own safety' there would be instant uproar and rightly so, so what makes kids different? Their small, they have no vote and its our responsibility to look after them.

Reverend Tristan wrote:Mod's with trucks in the 70s, teddy boys in the 80's. All children working on there families farms, wow beard you've re-writen social history beard lol
see the thing I don't get is that I am one of the kids tomo spoke about, my dad worked at the pit, he lost his job due to them shutting down. Am I bitter yes a little but my child has been bought up right, she loves school. She's only young but I won't teach her the lessons my farther taught me as they are wrong. Don't get me wrong there are people in my area that could do with being culled. It took me along time to decide to bring a child into this godforsaken world and why did I decide to have a child? So it wouldn't be full of THOSE people. My head hurts now.

You have a valid point, You chose to bring your Daughter up in a way that you feel is right, Many of these adults don't,

It goes from extreme to extreme there's the parents who won't discipline their kids, Allow them to run riot and generally be little Chavs and then perhaps equally bad their are the parents who indoctrinate their children with their own belief systems which are in a lot of cases fundamentally flawed,

How many racist kids do you know that don't have racist parents? What percentage of teenagers on the dole had parents with little or no willingness to work. How many religious extremists haven't been brought up in an environment tailored to induce hate towards those that are different from them?

Kids can only learn what is right and wrong by studying their key role models, Guess who that is.......The Parents.

Of course the whole License to have kids is an exaggeration but i certainly agree that not just sex education but parental education should be a key part of the curriculum.

Also Jean Eugene Roberts, That Mosquito thing has been around for a few years now, I often notice it walking past Newsagents etc and being 20 my ears are still attuned to that higher frequency that the whole principal is based on, Its not so much painful as irritating/uncomfortable although I'm sure it can't be good for your ears.

The best way to describe it to those who can't hear the frequency is that its like the ringing in your ears after a loud gig but multiplied by ten.

Just throwing it out there, but as said two pages ago, uk tabloids aren't to be trusted. In all honesty, apart from a few tw*ts here and there I almost never get trouble from nor see people get trouble from teenagers. The only time trouble is caused is when the "adult" starts it. They expect the kids to be misbehaving and try to be all draconian on them (this includes grumpy old men, policemen, and the government/local councils) and the kids — quite understandably — retaliate

I think there has probably always been a social under-class. It's just that these days it's far more visible due to newspapers, internet, 24 hour news channels etc.

I'm with WC Fields when it comes to kids anyway. Horrible little oiks. Apart from my own two darling little angels, that is. They wouldn't cause no bovver, nor nuffin'. Honest mister.

kolm wrote:Just throwing it out there, but as said two pages ago, uk tabloids aren't to be trusted. In all honesty, apart from a few tw*ts here and there I almost never get trouble from nor see people get trouble from teenagers.

I must say my view on this differ a little, last mischievies night some little @&?*% tipped my partners car over, we've all had fun in our days, playing pranks whatever they were but That's criminal damage. The car was wrote off. No adult started this, they did 2 cars that night in same area. A few weeks ago me and some friend got accosted by a teenage oik who threatened to use a knife on me. My crime being in the wrong place at the wrong time!